Bad Treatment from a Doctor and Even Worse Treatment by a School District

Jan 10th 2012

Saying that I had “a case of the Mondays” this week is the understatement of the century. There will be no positivity in this post. The SUCK is far too great, and I’m not going to sugar-coat it.

I went to the general practitioner (assigned to me by the state, since we’re on Medicaid right now) about my worsening anxiety issues. The office was small and smelly. The doctor spent three or four minutes with me before declaring that I couldn’t get any treatment for my anxiety if I insisted on continuing to breastfeed. That was that.

Oh Jesus. Please do not send me 64,892 links to Dr. Hale’s work with the Infant Risk Center. I know all about it. I know there are meds safe for breastfeeding, and I know this doctor was wrong. But that doesn’t help me. I can’t prescribe myself medication. And I’m a little too busy to mess around with filing complaints or going back to argue with her.

I left the office with nothing more than directions to the county health clinic, and numb arms from the 45-minute-long panic attack I had sitting in the smelly office. I didn’t even have so much as a referral.

I came home crying, feeling defeated. Feeling despondent. The husband wanted to hug me and talk about it, but I told him I just wanted to be left alone. It took me years to work up the courage to get help, and the doctor took only five minutes to show me she didn’t care.

As I sat there fighting back tears, HH gets a call from the school district where he was set to start his new teaching job next week. The one he got hired for a month ago. He was waiting for the call from HR to have him go in to sign all his paperwork and get set up in his new classroom, so we assumed that’s what the call was about.

Instead, the woman on the other end of the line starts the call with, “John, I’m sorry, I have terrible news.” She then goes on to tell him that something went wrong — they didn’t understand it, but the District Bilingual Director would not approve him for the position. Her reason? He had gone to too many colleges early in his academic career (even though he graduated WITH HONORS and TWO certificates – a Type 09 (Secondary Ed, History) and a Type 29 (Bilingual Teaching.) The principal of the school fought for John, but the District Director wouldn’t budge. They were told that him attending a few different colleges 10 years ago made the director “uncomfortable.” That’s it. No other explanation. It didn’t even make sense to the school administration, but their hands were tied.

I was in the living room crying over the shitty doctor appointment when I heard John downstairs starting to hyperventilate on the phone, saying “Oh my god, this can’t be happening, please say this isn’t happening” to the hiring manager. I ran downstairs to find him white as a ghost with tears welling up in his eyes. I mouthed “They took back the job?!?!?” and he shook his head Yes.

I crumpled onto the stairs and just sobbed. He has – WE HAVE – been counting on this job for a month. There’s pretty much NIL chance of getting hired by another district now that school has already started. He probably won’t be able to find a full-time position until at least August now, so we don’t know how to pay rent for the next eight months. He’s set up with a district to sub, but the pay is crap (minimum wage) and there’s no guarantee he’ll even get called.

There really aren’t words for how much this sucks. My anxiety went from “Maybe I can cope if I try real hard” to “I’m falling apart at the seams and may not make it through the day alive.”

I called my mother-in-law and asked her to come over. I had to go to school and HH needed to start job hunting, so I needed someone to pay attention to the kids. Then I called my dad and asked him to come help, too. I needed my family to be here. I needed people who understood how much this sucked to be here in my house. They understood. They hugged us. They helped us survive the shared nuclear meltdown HH and I were having. Without them, I don’t know how my kids would have been spared watching the two of us lay in bed and cry.

When HH got in the shower, I called the county health department – the place the ignorant doctor had given me directions to. I thought I would be okay to talk to them, but I couldn’t stop crying, and ended up sobbing “I’m sorry” over and over to the person on the other end of the line before I could even say my name. They transferred me to a doctor who listened to some more of my unintelligible sobbing, and then began the interview process. He was amazing to me. At first he asked some really difficult questions, like “Are you going to hurt your baby? Are you going to hurt yourself?” to which the answers were “Absolutely not – nothing like that.” I’m not a danger to anyone – I just feel like I’m going to have a stroke and die every five minutes. When the doctor realized things weren’t emergent or dangerous, he started setting up an appointment for me to be seen Tuesday morning. He talked to me for 45 MINUTES. He made me feel cared for. He made me feel like I had a shot of getting help.

After that, I had to hang up and rush off to start my first night of my last semester of school. If I can survive the next 17 weeks, I will graduate Summa Cum Laude on May 12th.

I don’t know what’s next for Hyphenated Husband. He’s searching high and low for work. We’ll see if we can keep our house, but that doesn’t look good.

In the meantime, I am going to keep on truckin’. I’m taking my GRE this week, launching the new Resource Guide that I’ve been WORKING MY ASS OFF ON next week (details to come) and finishing my MPH applications.

And I’ll keep blogging about my mental breakdown – just in case it might make someone else feel less alone.

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AmberStrocel 7 pts

I'm just catching up with my blog reading, and I have to say I'm so, so sorry you're going through this.

I'm glad you found a doctor who can help you. I'm sending lots of good thoughts. And I hope that this turns out to be the hard stuff before the good stuff starts coming your way.

MicheleS 8 pts

We have those moments a LOT. It sucks, and we don't have grandparents around to help buffer. Thankfully, we do have some really good friends that we have turned up on the doorstep of or shipped the kids off to for a few hours. I know that feeling so well. I can't imagine not being on an antidepressant and an anti-anxiety med - I would not be functional at all. Our family would not be functional at all. I've also had doctors treat me like your first one - I can remember every last one and I hope when they are at their lowest, that someone will treat them with more compassion than they treat others. On good days I wish that. On other days, I wish them EXACTLY the kind of care they mete out. And nothing makes me more anxious than threat to home and hearth - losing a job offer is a special kind of hell, especially after a period unemployment. I hope things get better for you soon!!

SuperMiller 7 pts

Gina - I think you kick ass. I was JUST going to ask you to somehow document how you manage to stay motivated all the time just before all this came crashing down on you. Now, of course, I will not ask you to add one more thing to your load. But I have no doubt you're going to come through this with a giant middle finger to the masses. Love you. Love your blog. Love your honesty.

madmama 5 pts

that super sucks. i wish there was something i could do to help. so i'm leaving a comment just to let you know that you aren't alone.

CarynSKA 5 pts

I'm so sorry that you and your family are going through all of this.

academicobgyn 5 pts

Gina - Wow Gina - sorry you are having such a struggle. Zoloft is considered first line for depression in breastfeeding women, can have good impact on anxiety as well. Hang in there.

TheFeministBreeder 75 pts moderator

academicobgyn Thanks. The folks at the county health clinic want me to be open to taking Zoloft, and I said I'd consider it at a low dose this time. Starting at 50 mg last time nearly killed me.

My latest conversation: A Card-Writing Campaign to a Mother Relearning How To Live

The Hen 5 pts

You are not alone. I've had the Depression diagnosis for 17 years but no meds ever helped. It took a new psychologist about 10 min with me to suggest that I have Anxiety AND Depression. Can I just say how much Clonazepam has changed my life? But I didn't have this epiphany until I was well over breast feeding, so please, PLEASE hang on. I still describe my son's first year as the best and worst of my life. But so worth it. And stuff (including your house) is just stuff - family is EVERYTHING (and on this I can speak with authority).TheFeministBreeder academicobgyn

JennaL 5 pts

I am so so sorry. What a terrible day for you guys. I really hope that the health department is going to pull through.

I had a similar experience with being denied mental health treatment. When I went for my 6 week postpartum appointment, I told the OB I saw that day that I didn't have any immediately plans to harm myself or my baby but that the depressive symptoms were unbearable and I didn't feel safe at home. I was pumping and giving tube feeds to my very sick baby who had just come home. She just told me that there was only one medication that was ok while breastfeeding, and she didn't want to risk me taking anything since she didn't know what medications my baby might be on. At the time, I just sucked it up and went home. Now looking back, I see how negligent that was. The correct response would be "Let me refer you to someone who is more experienced with treating depression" or"How about I coordinate with your child's physician and figure out whether medication I might prescribe you would be problematic or not?"

NadinePetschauer 7 pts

Thank goodness for the understanding man at the county health department! I remember breaking down on the phone........... to the real estate agent. (I'd just received a call to say that our builder had gone under and then she called to inform me that we were being booted from our 3rd rental within a year and a half...... I thought that we were going to be homeless!) She was so amazing and so helpful that when I met her I almost hugged her. I know that this is nothing on your story but I understand how unexpected and disappointing life can be at times and that sometimes it's the people that you least expect that can be the most help. Things WILL turn around but until then, I am glad that you have people that love you supporting you.

MargaAyers 5 pts

Man, your day sucked! Big time. We have also experienced some major awfulness in our family lately but the weird thing is after a few months we discovered that it was definitely for the best. Making it through six months of fear to get to that point was pretty hard though. My thoughts and support are with you.

Would it be possible to deliver some resource material to that idiot of a Dr. so she is better informed. It might help her avoid damaging some other poor nursing mom who comes in and needs help. You at least are educated and knowledge is power. It would be great if there was any way to stop her from harming anyone else.

Heather R. 15 pts

I just had a thought. Perhaps you need to think outside the "brick and mortar box," so to speak. My youngest daughter goes to an online school. Because students can sign up at any point of the year, they are continuously beginning a new class, so it's not like one would have to wait until the end of a semester to start, since a new one is always beginning every month. Perhaps you can look into it. The school we use right now is k12.com.

SarahChristineBolton 5 pts

So sorry about all of this... Sometimes, it really does pour shit. :(

You guys both work your butts off... I hope really good things continue to happen for you and your family.

Hang in there! You are not alone.

acjjj 7 pts

I am so, so sorry this is happening to you.

My cynical husband (a teacher) remarked: The District Bilingual Director probably had a family member he wanted the job to go to...

cbplaner 32 pts

In my experience, being told you have attended too many schools by a district might be their way of saying that they don't believe that he is stable enough to finish out a year of teaching, which is crap. Teaching is a catch 22. They make it seem like the doors are wide open and they are desperate for teachers, when in reality breaking in can be crazy freaking hard. I hope you all figure something out, and I hope this experience doesn't burn him out on teaching before he even starts. Best of luck.

Corita 5 pts

I appreciate your willingness to post this story if only to provide yet another good example of the paternalistic, uninformed doctor at work.

KimWildner 5 pts

I marvel that you can continue to be so productive whilst coming somewhat unglued. You are super human!

DLane 5 pts

HI Gina,

Could you post a PayPal button? I would be happy to donate, if it would help.

jet_set 9 pts

I'm so, so sorry. I've been there. Like the day when my mom called me to tell me her cancer was back, probably terminal, so I walked into see my HR director, where I was laid off. Within 10 minutes I found out I'd lose my mom and I did lose my job. Good times.

(Mom rallied and the lay off, while difficult, ended up being a miraculous open door.)

TheFeministBreeder 75 pts moderator

jet_set Yeah, that's a shitty day. Super, duper shitty.

bethashleym 6 pts

Sadly, I had the same issue with a medicaid doctor. I was told that I was also "not depressed enough" to get treatment. Thankfully, I found a great psychologist to help me through. My prayers go out to you.

SarahAngelina 9 pts

That is the dumbest thing I have EVER heard - too many colleges? So he's...not...diversified enough? No, that's not right. He's...too...broad in his scope of interests? Nope, that still sounds like a good quality to me.

Honestly, how can you nail someone for changing their mind a few times before finding out what you really want? Terrible.

As for you, Gina, I really hope you find a doctor that will give you the prescription you need. Total bullsh*t.

Talk to a pharmacist and get recommendations for specific drugs, then bring the list to your doctor. Pharmacists are way more knowledgeable about drugs than doctors.

CarolDunlop 5 pts

Gina, you will manage because you are brave. Courage is about keeping on even when you are terrified and lost. I am so glad you found someone to 'hear' you, and having spent that time to ensure you are safe is a good sign for both having found a good practitioner and a place where your anxiety will be able to be managed. Love to both you and John, and sending you all things positive xx

SoldiRodriguez 11 pts

So, this might not be the BEST solution, but it is a possible solution: take out some student loans. I think I remember you saying that you're on full scholarships, so loans would still be available. If you need to keep your home, keep your home. If HH can't find a job doing what he's qualified for I would suggest to try serving tables. I worked at IHOP on the graveyard shift (time to job hunt during the day) and pulled in $100 from tips each night. This may not be the type of comment you were expecting, but it's all I've got. These might have already crossed your mind, but in case they haven't I'm throwing them out there.

Feel better soon!

TheFeministBreeder 75 pts moderator

SoldiRodriguez I've already taken all the student loans I'm allowed - that's how we've been paying rent while he was doing his student teaching and looking for a job.

SoldiRodriguez 11 pts

TheFeministBreederSoldiRodriguez

Well then, at this juncture, I would suggest... winning the lotto? :)

Seriously though, you guys will pull through this in one shape or another. Maybe you could send him overseas to teach English to our-soon-to-be overlords, the Chinese, and he can send you back his paycheck? Or he can tutor at one of those places that promises to help the kids pass standardized tests? With a degree in Education a lot of companies will hire him to train people in class like seminars for whatever the business does. Remember to think outside the box and as far and wide as economically feasible.

rylar22 5 pts

TheFeministBreeder I got 10,000 dollars more than I was "allowed" during one of my semesters at graduate school. You're allowed as much as you want because they know the IRS will collect the money from you and the government will pay 300% of the money you borrow.

On the topic of the post, I once had a company HIRE me over the phone... He litterally said, my interview was great, he's offering me a job, If I'm still available... then when I said yes, of course, that would be great. He said he had to go and talk to his coworkers and he'd call me back.

He never called back, and he never returned my contacts.

The Hipster Homemaker 11 pts

I know that if anyone can get through this, you can. And you will. Because you're Gina, and that's what you do.

ElsabieOrris 7 pts

Oh Gina I do feel for you and wish I could give you a big hug and say it will all be ok. Just know that your readers are here and we are all thinking of you during this difficult time. I sincerely hope things work out for you guys. Lots of HUGS xxx

Delectual 5 pts

You are the most awesome person ever because you are NOT AFRAID! Even if you think you are, deep down inside you are strong.Along the same lines as "What doesn't kill us, makes us stronger" I must add that I firmly believe that God doesn't give us anymore than we can handle! If you feel like a ton is on your shoulders, it must be because God thinks you need to do some squats!!"I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me." Philippians 4:13You CAN get through this. You WILL get through this. And you WILL be okay!!!!!!*HUGS*

KarissaKrapf 14 pts

Again, your genuine sharing is appreciated. We also continue to be faced with bad thing after bad thing, seeming like we can never get our heads above water. I can't say it'll get better or anything like that because no one knows the future. However, with the strength and intelligence you both have combined with family support, I have hope you will make it through. That being said, don't feel bad for feeling bad. It's okay to be overwhelmed sometimes. Kudos to you as well for seeking help!

MelessaGregg 7 pts

I'm so sorry. But you WILL get through this. Writing helps, so keep sharing. We can take it. No sugar coating required.

ErickaJ 8 pts

oh no :( im so sorry. im glad that you will keep blogging this. we are all worried about you and its good to see humanity both from the natural suckiness of your situation to our ability to be able to support you during this crappy time! :(

i dont know what it means to you, but ill pray for you.

amileecopeland 6 pts

I'm sure he's thought of this and a few people have mentioned it here, but why not online tutoring? Tutor.com is the first hit that comes up when you search for online tutoring jobs and the pay could be decent, plus he could work from home.

There is hope. You will get through this. It is awful and it is overwhelming but you will get through it.

MimiandDouglasPendlebury 5 pts

Thanks for sharing this. I appreciate & am inspired by your raw honesty. When life hands us a harsh-bitter blow all one can truly do is live in the moment. 'What do I need to do now?' Sometimes it's as simple as using the toilet and other times it's have a meltdown-sob-of-a-mess crying until that feeling of - I am ready to try again rises from within. When readiness to try, rises again, then begs the question 'What do I need to do within the next hour/day?' One small choice at a time, multiplied over & over, will set the course of your family's lifepath toward rising above the ashes.

shstreuber 5 pts

Wow. Can you report that first doctor to the State medical board? Medicaid discrimination is nothing new. What an incompetent jackass! As for HH, how mobile is he? Could he maybe use his mad bilingual skills in some other job while he waits for fall semester to start? About the rent etc., why not put a donation button on the blog and see what happens?

Cult Jam 5 pts

Wow.

1. I hate that first doctor. That's total bullshit, as I'm sure I don't have to tell you.

2. I'm so glad the doc at the county health department is taking you seriously and made you feel cared for.

3. I'm so sorry about your husband's job. The District Director is obviously an ass with too much power.

Hang in there. I've been where you are. You WILL come out of it. Meds totally help, and I hope you get them soon. It's hard to ask for help the first time. REALLY HARD. And so the fact that you were treated that way SERIOUSLY pisses me off.

mrsfmchavez 5 pts

I'm currently dealing with anxiety and a doctor who won't treat it. It's bad. His office is in another town and I can't drive there. My husband has to drive me and well, that's only been able to work for now. I have an appointment tomorrow which I have to cancel because he can't take me. I'm not a pill seeker. I'm seeking treatment. He won't even address it. On top of all that, my anxiety cripples me in such a way that I can't stand up for myself. I can't even fathom making a scene or anything close to scene. I'm considering just sitting in his office and sobbing but I feel it wouldn't make a difference. I want to transfer but that includes standing up for myself. Great. Just great.

womanthegreat 5 pts

Hmm. Are you sure hh isn't being DISCRIMINATED AGAINST??? It would be a shame if he were, and he had to sue or something >:) (Evil eyes) Dear Gina - know that when we women strive to accomplish as much as you are, the occaisional crack up happens. Personally, I liked Zoloft ok for anxiety, but there are some newer ones that have fewer sexual side effects. If the first med doesn't do it - try another! I believe the research that says 6 months on the drugs leaves a helping long lasting effect, so don't stop in one month when you are feeling better. And you will. Feel better! I've never been suicidal per se, but, I was disappointed once or twice when the mask of anxiety and depression lifted and I was still alive. It was like, oh, I can get up now. And I did. And I got a PhD. So there ya go! Can't wait to see the whole fam in your awesome graduation pix!!!!!

Corita 5 pts

womanthegreat Weirdly, my first thought was that this blog might cause them to be "uncomfortable". Just meaning that a teacher with a connection to such a public blog might make them start seeing liability claims.

----> Note: Not saying this as if I agree with that reasoning. I just know how cowardly, backside-covering bureaucracies and evil people people tend to think.

TheFeministBreeder 75 pts moderator

Coritawomanthegreat I won't like - my first thought was "they googled him, found my blog, and hate me." Then I thought maybe I was being a little egomaniacal. If that IS what happened, seems like bullshit not to just tell him "we don't like what we found when we googled you." Not give him some horseshit excuse about having been to "too many colleges." What the HELL does that even MEAN?!?!

Corita 5 pts

TheFeministBreederwomanthegreat Well, if that WAS the reason it is, of course, bullshit to do what they did. But you can see why they did it by saying "Your college history seems a little unnerving" instead of, "Your wif'e's public status as a blogger who sometimes talks about her personal life makes us worried that our school will be somehow drawn into controversy." The first might sound sufficiently vague and authoritative enough that it would be legit, The second one could be a problem because it definitely makes them look bad!

Ok, there is just no way of knowing that this is what happened. It is just the kind of CYA thing that is pervasive, especially in the school system.

SharonF 8 pts

TheFeministBreederCoritawomanthegreat In some states, there are laws that all hiring criteria have to be disclosed to applicants... so if they didn't list "Internet profile" as a job qualification, then they can't tell him that's why he didn't get the job. They'd have to come up with some bullshit excuse like that. I used to work for a youth agency, hiring direct-service employees, and I wouldn't even have considered hiring someone without investigating their online presence (but I told them this at the onset of the application process). If I found something that I thought wouldn't sit well with clients (kids, but more importantly, their parents), I would tell them they had to change it or privatize the profile/blog/whatever. Anything I could find could just as easily be found by a parent... that's the risk. It might be worth finding out if this actually was a factor. Of course, it's unlikely they'll admit it. So I don't know what to tell you, but you are NOT being egomaniacal! Your online presence is significant, for better and worse.

SharonF 8 pts

I realize you're being facetious about the lawsuit, and I am personally anti-frivolous lawsuit, but you may be on the right track. I don't know all the details of the situation with HH or the employment laws in IL, but it bears investigation, perhaps. However, one thing is clear: GINA was discriminated against, and for being a woman. Imagine if the doctor had said, "I refuse to treat you unless you stop menstruating, even though there's ample evidence that it's safe, and you clearly need treatment." Okay, maybe that is going too far, since menstruation is not as long-term a "condition" as breastfeeding is. But what if Gina had diabetes, or heart disease, and the physician REFUSED to treat her anxiety because she didn't want to be bothered with evidence, or informing herself about the condition and what medications are compatible with it? At the very least, it's medical negligence to refuse to treat a patient, based on your own opinion, in total defiance of the (reliable, peer-reviewed, and very accessible) evidence. Medical negligence. When you consider that the "condition" in question is not a disease or any sort of abnormality, but rather a natural and unavoidable consequence of being female, the sexual discrimination is clearly evident. We, as a society, need to stop seeing breastfeeding as a choice, but rather as part of being female. Only then will the widespread assault on women of childbearing years by the medical establishment be seen for the dangerous misogyny it is. Refusing to treat a woman for being a woman, or sabotaging her breastfeeding relationship and exposing her and her baby to multiple long-term health risks, would be rightly classified as the crime it is. Sorry, @womanthegreat, my rant is not directed at you! Just piggy-backing off of your comment. womanthegreat

bshuppgeorge 5 pts

That all just sucks, all around. I second the tutoring suggestion for HH. Private tutoring he might make $15 - $20/ hr and somewhere like Sylvan or another tutoring center is probably less hourly but more hours. Best of luck!!!

KristenOganowski 5 pts

I hope the only people you AND HH encounter from here on out are as helpful and compassionate as the doctor you spoke to on the phone: other doctors, other people working at school districts, random strangers walking in front of you on the sidewalk--EVERYONE.

And I'm sorry that there is so much suckiness going on right now. "Sorry" isn't much, I know. But just know that I'm rooting for your entire family right now.

babyrabies 36 pts

I love you. You are amazing, and you deserve so much better than that first asshole doctor. I am LIVID about HHs job situation. I have no doubt you two will figure it all out, but I know that's going to mean an extra hard road and a ton of work for you both, which is so not fair because you've been working SO hard for SO long and you just deserve a break and some normalcy. I hope your appointment goes well today.

SamanthaLynn 5 pts

I'm glad you had better luck with the county health department, and while you were so upset with the doctor, it seems that maybe he/she was actually doing their job correctly in referring you to the right place that could help!! It will all work out, everything happens for a reason and good for you for finally reaching out! Hugs, I'll be sending positive vibes to you!

AndreaGardner 10 pts

This sucks :/ I hate that you have to deal with this. It seems so unfair. Sending positive energy/thoughts your way. I hope things get better and I am glad you found a Dr who listened.

bidwellmegan 5 pts

Gina, it definitely does make at least one person feel less alone- me. We moved down here from Chicago in August, and we have had one problem after another with this place. I feel the exact same way, and we only have one little girl. We can't file for any legal help together because we're a same-sex couple, keep getting tossed from doctor to doctor, and our apartment is -literally- falling apart.