Behave on My Blog As You’d Behave In My House

May 26th 2010

In never ceases to amaze me that, despite my very clear (and slightly silly) comment policy, some people have no problem acting like giant buttheads in the comment section on my blog.  I understand that not everything I say is going to resonate with everyone.  I also get that some things I say are polarizing, and will be met with fierce opposition.  That’s fine.

The subjects I tackle are often emotionally charged, outside the mainstream, and steeped in passionate conviction based on my own experience, research, and ideology.  There is no way that I could say something that everyone in the world will agree with.  It’s just not possible.  For example, I could say “You know, it’s not nice to kick puppies” and undoubtedly someone will show up to leave a comment yelling “You are a stupid asshole, kicking puppies is awesome!!!”

I just can’t win.

Thankfully, most people who read my blog are either A.) on the same page with me, or B.) know how to politely disagree without attacking me or calling names.

Unfortunately, that’s just not the case 100% of the time.  Having a comment box means the inevitable rogue commentor with too much time on their hands and no ability to edit themselves.  Many bloggers have experienced this at some point, especially if they attract a lot of comments.

However, in the words of Eddie Murphy’s drunk father, “I pay the rent… this is MY house!”

Because my blog is a space on the internet that I own and manage, allowing others to leave comments on my blog is like inviting them into my home, both literally and figuratively.  Each time a comment is left, I get an email that which I open in my office, my TV room, my bedroom, or sometimes in my car.  When people say “Your post sucks” or “You are stupid,” that message hits me in my real life, and it hurts. It pulls a nice dark cloud over wherever it is I’m sitting at the time.  The more viscous comments can often feel like a kick in the gut.

It feels exactly the way it would if I invited someone over as a guest in my home, and he or she turned to me and said, “You know what? This dinner you made is total horseshit.”

How many of us would do that to a hostess?  I’m guessing not too many.  Sure, we’ve been at somebody’s house, politics have come to the table, and we have disagreed.  I don’t mind disagreement.  Disagreement is healthy.  It moves a discussion along and expands our minds.

But it’s no longer a simple disagreement when you turn to your host and call her a bitch, or tell her that her house sucks.  That’s just an outburst.  A mean, uncalled for, outburst. And she doesn’t have to put up with it.  In her home, she decides what goes, and if that means kicking you out, then I don’t blame her one bit.

And that’s exactly how I feel about comments on a private blog.  As a commentor, act the same way you would if this person invited you over for tea. If she said something you didn’t like, you have two real choices.

A. Ignore it and go on with your life (what a novel concept!)
B.  Tell her you feel differently and start a dialogue

BUT – under no circumstances should you call her a name, tell her that she “sucks,” or otherwise personally attack her.

If someone is allowing you to comment on their blog, take this as a personal invitation into their home and treat it as such.  Otherwise, she might just revoke that invitation and send you packing.  I have no problem hitting the ol’ delete button – I just wish people wouldn’t make me use it.

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What’s your experience with rogue commentors?  Do you delete them or keep them?  Have you been one?  Fess up.

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The only narky commenting experiences I've had are from people I know in real life. Sometimes they post without saying who they are but leave the same email address as they use on facebook. Hello! I'm sneaky and I can see who you are!
.-= Zoey @ Good Goog´s last blog ..02/365 – Morning Coffee =-.

I've just recently started reading blogs, and only have a handful that I follow. I rarely comment, and it's never been to argue with the poster. We are all entitled to our own beliefs and view points.
I've wanted to start my own blog for a little while now, but I haven't, since I'm worried about negative comments. One nasty comment can throw your whole day off. I commend you for sticking it out and being braver than I am. And thank you for your very informative posts. :)

I'm sorry you have to deal with abusive comments/emails. Personally, I stick to the 'if you wouldn't say it in person' rule and also the 'if you can't say something nice, keep your mouth shut' rule. Respectful disagreement is great and important. This whole issue keeps me on the fence about if I want to start blogging, how I'd handle comments, do I make the blog anonymous, etc. I enjoy reading Andrew Sullivan's blog (the Daily Dish at The Atlantic) for a different political perspective, and I really love how he handles comments. He does not allow commenting on his posts. If he does get a thoughtful engaging comment-- agree or disagree-- he will make a new post sharing the readers thoughts. I love it because this way we get to see the conversation without having to sift through 50 abusive useless comments. And readers still feel he is listening. Of course, he has two assistants who probably sift through the hundreds of comments he gets! I think if I do start a blog, I'd have a warning like you and just delete abusive remarks. Why spread the hate? Another note-- my brother tells a story of figuring out a friend of his who frequented the same political blogs was an abusive commenter. He could no longer be friends with the guy since he couldn't believe the stuff he was posting. So, who knows, maybe some of those trolls are the dark sides of our BFFs!

Gina,

I promise I will always take off my shoes and compliment your cooking on your blog.

I don't think that I've commented here, but I just wanted to offer a little encouragement and my own thoughts on this matter.

I really think that most of society has lost the ability to separate the idea from the person. We used to be able to disagree with an idea, even vigorously, and retain our ability to see the dignity of the person who held that idea. Nowadays, it seems like disagreeing with an idea or opinion is taken as a personal attack.

So, essentially, when someone reads something on your blog which is contrary to or challenges their own ideas or practices, they take it as a personal attack. Crazy, I know, but I really think that that is what is going on.

My oldest is 8 years old and my husband and I are really starting to refine our definition of parenting and educational success. We really want our kids to be able to say 'well that's a dumb idea'. We want them to be able talk about ideas with anyone, without getting offended and without feeling that they must adopt someone else's idea because of social pressure. I think that most people today are utterly incapable of doing this.

The other thing I wanted to tell you is that my mother has been writing for various paper publications and on her own online magazine for almost 20 years. She used to get death threats. It doesn't bother her as much as it used to. She just doesn't engage in conversations like that anymore. She has too many important and useful things to say to waste her time by engaging. And so do you.

I've been rude to a prominent birth blogger, questioning her credibility and motives for writing what she does. What I have said I would also say to her in person if I met her, so it wasn't really offensive... it would just make for an uncomfortable confrontation that could be followed by productive discussion. Usually I'm very well behaved and focus on discussion of the issues and not personal attacks. If I had my own blog I would likely try to include a feature that hides offensive comments that readers can choose to click to reveal or just keep it hidden if they want to be spared from reading crappy comments. This preserves free speech while still considering the audience.

I like my power of the delete button on my blog and even on facebook wall. i try to stick to the if i can't say anything nice, i won't say anything at all rule and i feel like if there is a negative comment i just don't flippin care to see, i can delete it so i won't stew over it.

You mean you're a real person with real feelings? How easy we forget. I cry at Twitter or Facebook or my blog at least once or twice.
.-= Kristine Brite McCormick´s last blog ..Me. Only not me anymore. But, kind of me. Only better. But also worse. =-.

I have a YouTube video about my first daughter's birth that has over 208,000 views. In the video I talk about the resulting PPD and PTSD that I dealt with due to the trauma I endured during my labor and her birth. I have a note above the video that says something along the lines of "be nice or be deleted and blocked" but that still does not stop the mean hearted, rude, and inappropriate comments. The latest was a doozie: "I hope you remain committed next time and stay home for your VBAC NO MATTER WHAT! Maybe that way you'll feel less "violated."". And that's one of the nicer mean ones.

Some people just don't get it....

Well, I just found you and I love you. I finally found a term for me (Feminist Breeder).
If people react so strongly, its usually because of them, not you. You are awesome, and you know that deep in your heart, so they can just kiss your grits.

I think that is an awesome comparison. Brilliant actually.
Disagree with me, but don't ridicule me...seems more than fair.
.-= Heather (qtberryhead)´s last blog ..You Are Unique...Just Like Everyone Else. =-.

Amen! While I personally agree with a lot of the things you say here (after just recently discovering your blog), I'd never come out and attack you or anyone who disagrees with my personal opinions.

But as they say, opinions are like assholes - everybody's got one, but nobody wants to hear about yours.

I wanted to let you know that I gave your blog an award! Its called the sunshine award, because I feel like your blog spreads a little bit of sunshine on the world wide web.

You can check it out, and pass it on to other bloggers here : http://crunchybusiness.com/i-received-the-sunshine...
.-= Cheryl´s last blog ..I received the Sunshine Award! =-.

Dude, I SO love kicking puppies!!

My personal rule about commenting is that I never write something I wouldn't say to someone's face. Unfortunately I think that the nature of the internet just lends itself to people being nasty without thinking about the real feelings involved. That is a big part of the reason why I read lots of stuff, but only post on a personal blog that like three people look at. (And these three people know me in real life) I'm sorry you are getting asshole trolls on your blog, I think you are great!

I don't understand random, ignorant comments. If you disagree with something, then say so, and start a healthy debate about it - Share your side of the argument. Commenting things like "This post is stupid, you're dumb" just makes the commenter look like an uneducated idiot. I view comments like that as spam - they probably didn't even read the original post, they're just trying to be an asshole.

Your point about how the comment hits you in real life is so utterly perfect. For the rude commenter, they're just on a site, make the comment, and then move on with their day - the interaction happens in their online life. But for the writer that receives the comment, like you said, it can be in the car or the bedroom or the kitchen, etc. I haven't had any truly terrible comments (yet) but I've had some tough ones and it really sticks with me for days.

Common courtesy isn't so common... and it should be.
.-= Candice´s last blog ..Yes, you feel better - says my razor. =-.

I'm brand new to blogging (writing and reading them) but I think that the opportunity to disagree and dialogue is probably the coolest thing about it. People who leave ignorant comments are saying a lot more about themselves and their own closedmindedness than they are about you. BTW, I'm totally fascinated by feminism and how it plays into birth and breastfeeding and motherhood but I never knew other people out there were actually talking about it. So glad I found you - just wrote a post about feminism if you have time to take a look.

http://stlouissmartmama.blogspot.com/2010/05/is-st...

@pocket.budhha
I had the same thing happen to me with a sleep training post. In fact, I have 4 cousins who will no longer speak to me because I dared to post a very carefully worded, respectful article about the possible downside of sleep training. I dealt with dozens of very hateful comments and private messages before I decided to delete them all. And then I was labeled a coward for not leaving them up for the world to see!
I've gone to moderation, but unlike Gina, I only have a few readers anyways, so it doesn't really matter.
I think I'll link this post to my commenting policy!!!

http://ibnlive.in.com/news/harvesting-stem-cells-f...

YAY! YAY! Please check the above link ... THEY FOUND STEM CELLS IN BREASTMILK! Sorry for shouting. I am excited and wanted you to see it :0)

I am an uber emotional person, so I make sure not to read people's comments if I think there is a possibility that one of them will get me mad. Just to avoid the chance I will respond in a less than nice way.

@Gina, good point. The meansies will not be deterred by moderation just as they aren't deterred by their inner voice.

We'll just have to post extra nice comments to wash the bad ones out. I'll start by trying to comment more regularly.

I love your blog and frequently wish there were more people like you writing on other feminist sites. Their lack of posts on birth and parenting issues needs a shake-up. As my ICAN chapter leader said once (maybe quoting someone else, I'm not sure), birth is the last frontier for feminism. Women who fight for equality elsewhere and won't take anybody's nonsense are too frequently just submissive and compliant about the whole birth process. I love that you take it on!

I admit that at times I have stired the pot a bit, but not in a personal manner and usually in hope of a conversation but some bloggers don't want to talk about 'it'!

I noticed something really intersting on a post at the 'Celbrity Baby Blog'. One post on a soap opera actresses baby's bedroom decoration. A number of people commented on how ________ the crib is or whatever (tacky, over the top, etc) I admit I agreed (but didn't comment). Then a few people commented on how mean those posters were...like the actress was the poster and reading all thease comments????? Do some people think that thease famous people who are not blogging themselves are actually reading (or writing) the blog posts on a People magizine website? I just find it all very odd?? Some posters were getting quite violent in reply to the bad decorating posters aserting that "your baby is cute actress don't listen to those dumb$$** who are commenting on your sweet room!!"
IT just shows how people's thoughts on what is going on on the internet are full of variety and mindnumbing!
.-= Naomi´s last blog ..Standard Spicy Whatnot =-.

@Maya - Moderating comments doesn't stop the yucky ones from showing up in my inbox. I still have to read everything that comes in, which is the upsetting part. I had moderation turned on for awhile, but it was so much more work than I cared for. I had to go and click buttons to approve them every time somebody left a comment, and sometimes I'd be doing that 20-40 times a day (or like 250 times for one certain post.) My moderation philosophy is that everything can go up until somebody gives me a reason to hit "Delete."
.-= TheFeministBreeder´s last blog ..Behave on My Blog As You’d Behave In My House =-.

I haven't received many rogue comments, and when I have it's been about food instead of breastfeeding (!), but the ones I have received I've left up. Sometimes I respond to them and sometimes I don't. It depends how mad they make me feel when I read them and whether or not I think I can respond appropriately. Sometimes I let my other commenters do it for me because usually I just don't have it in me to confront them or argue with them. I put my energy into my posts and much less into responding to reactions.
.-= Melodie´s last blog ..Madonna and Child-Like Paintings Are Obscene Too? =-.

I try to be respectful in my comments. I'm pretty careful when I leave comments that are in disagreement with the blogger, and limit them to posts where opinions are solicited.

I've been on the receiving end of only two cruel comments, and my readers leaped to my defense with their own comments before I even saw the hurtful ones myself. It's nice to be part of a supportive community.
.-= Sadia´s last blog ..Overheard 37 =-.

Thanks for having us over, Gina! You have a very nice living room.

Can I post this eleventy-billion times? OK, well, just once then.

Seriously though, moderating comments might help, but really that mainly just works for outright spam. People developing consideration when they are looking at just a monitor and not a person's face would also help, but that's just too sensible.

Yeah so I'll be the one to fess up. I totally have gone bazerk on someone's comments before. It's generally not intentional to hurt the bloggers feelings, its more that I felt they were doing an injustice or I was being what I thought at the time was funny. I'm quite aware that my sad sense of humor doesnt translate well over any form of communication. I'm slowly growing up.

The internet has real consequences. Its something I only recently found out. On a very serious matter I was threatened with arrest after "confronting" a girl about infidelity. I thought it was less harm than meeting in person and getting too emotionally charged. I thought it was safer. Not really. It was just as hurtful for me and definitely real problems. I regret any insane comments I have ever left. I really can only think of this one case but I'm sure some have been insensitive. I promise to keep remembering that words can hurt. I'll think that there is a human on the other side of the computer screen.

Thanks for the reminder.

I agree, since the internet is so impersonal some people have the nerve to write just anything hurtful. Gets real bad when you don't know the person, they are just a screen and some colours, so who cares?
.-= Our Sentiments´s last blog ..Validation =-.

My philosophy on all this (not just blogging, but everything I do in life, personally and professionally):

If I'm doing anything of consequence, anything involving taking a stand or making a difference, there are going to be people who think I'm a complete idiot or worse. By extension--if NO ONE out there is hating what I do, if everyone is happy, if I'm not pissing at least a few people off by what I say, do, or choose...then I'm probably not saying or doing or choosing anything of consequence.

Yes, they're rude. No, they clearly haven't learned the basic human courtesies that one person is due another under any circumstances. But they're also a sign that you're doing something Real.
--Jenn
.-= Jenn´s last blog ..Pesticides and ADHD acronymmy things =-.

I like the way you explained this. This idea for behavior should be common sense, but something about the interwebz makes people lose their EVERLOVING MINDS. And yes, it really can be hurtful when someone attacks. Discussions are fantastic. Hateful comments or attacks are useless and obnoxious.

I had to go search for this because I figured you could use a laugh:
http://xkcd.com/481/
.-= Reiza´s last blog ..What Motivates You? =-.

I agree with @Shannon. Feministe has the annual Next Top Troll, and visitors to the site vote on the most awful comments. You should do it, too! Some assholes deserve a prize for their douchbaggery, like infamy on the internets.

I have a really hard time reading comments on a lot of blogs, news articles, facebook pages, etc. because it seems like people completely lose their social skills and blurt out whatever comes to mind. I just lost a friend because of asinine comments on facebook. (I unfriended him -- feel my wrath!)

Where did social decorum go?

@Partlysbabe - Haa ha.. Okay: "Dear Idiot Husband, that is NOT what causes Teh Gay. If your baby grows up to date men, that's because He was BORN that way. Love him no matter what, or you will not be invited to Teh Gay wedding."
.-= TheFeministBreeder´s last blog ..Behave on My Blog As You’d Behave In My House =-.

I see where you are coming from personal attacks are just wrong when it comes to blogging!.... I think your fantastic BTW!... I also don't think I have actually commented before but do love reading your blog!... I just wish you could tell my Idiot husband that when My 3 year old puts on his sisters glitter roll on all over his body that hes not going to turn out Gay!!.... lol Men!...

I love the analogy of behaving as if you were in someone's home. People don't realize that thought and love goes into posting and while you may not agree you should still be civil about it. But as Kelly K said, the internet is an invitation for people to be rude and angry because of the anonymous factor.

Gina, I agree with you 99% of the time and the 1% that I don't, I use the advice of Thumper: "If you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all."
.-= Karianna´s last blog ..Mass Warm-Up Act =-.

Oooh! I think you should repost the best of the worst and let us comment on them. I'm serious!

Well said! Unfortunately you probably just pissed someone off;) Lol. Chin up. Most of us just love you :)

It stinks that you get rude comments! It's so hard not to let those get to you. Try to hold on to all the positive ones!

I totally don't get that. There are several blogs that I read where I don't agree with everything... or hardly anything the blogger says. The amount of mental and emotional energy it would take me to get worked up, and write some nasty response is not even remotely worth my time.

You are, of course, not one of these bloggers. Your stance on VBAC alone makes me want to tatoo your URL somewhere on my body. Don't let the men.. or women get 'cha down.
.-= Emily´s last blog ..Irony =-.

I think the "if you wouldn't say it in my living room you can't say it on my blog" rule is the gold standard for comment policies. It encourages discussion and open mindedness without being rude.

I will admit that I did get into a bit of a flame war on another mom's blog one day when the comment I made pointing out the flaws in her argument and answered a few of the questions she posed (apparently she meant them rhetorically) was met with vitriol and name calling by the blogger. I should have known better, especially since it was far from the first time I had disagreed with her opinions but I couldn't stop myself that day. She deleted my rude follow up comment, which I'm actually grateful for since it was embarrassing.

My own blog allows all (non-spam) comments and I've only ever deleted one, although it was from a friend and I warned her I was doing it. She meant to be funny on a non-funny post and I didn't want her getting flamed by my other readers. Although since I only have half a dozen readers total I suppose I don't worry as much about nasty comments.
.-= Suzanne´s last blog ..By Request =-.

The internet is somewhat anonymous so people say things that they most likely wouldn't say were they in person. I always try to ask myself if what I am posting I would be willing to say to the person's face and that keeps it from being abusive.
.-= Kelly Klassen´s last blog ..Garlic Socks =-.

I've been really lucky in that I've never had to deal with any personal attacks in my comment section. I do moderate my comments though which I think perhaps might deter some people from being abusive? I have had a couple of comments strongly disagreeing with what I've written, and I've gone ahead and published them because like you say, I really don't have a problem with people disagreeing with me as long as its done in a reasonably civil manner.
.-= Gappy´s last blog ..Do You Believe in Fate? =-.

I recently posted my feelings on sleep training and CIO on my blog. I knew it may be met with some opposition, but I am not the type to shy away from that so I went ahead and published anyway.

A few local moms read it and recognized a few of my points as things I had also said in an open and respectful discussion at a local mom's group. (I did not mention the group at all, or anyone in it. The post was not intented as a continuation of that particular discussion) those women took offense and rallied together to leave me over 30 comments that really did feel like a kick in the stomach. Each and every one of them.

At first I didn't know what to do. Before I figured out who was leaving me these comments I was torn between allowing discussion and dealing with opposition in what I considered a mature manner by allowing others to have their say. So I let them keep on coming in until I finally realized what was happening and had gotten so riled up that I couldn't help myself and reacted.

That experience was awful. By the time I deleted all of the comments I felt on some level as though I'd been the victim of a home invasion or something.

I don't know what it is about the internet that makes people think it's ok to act that way. But at least now I know that it is ok to delete abusive comments before they get out of control.

I have not been a rogue commenter. I am way, WAY too timid for that.

I have had rogue commenters, yes. If they really don't have anything redeeming to say, I delete the comment without communication or warning. An example would be when someone told me that a craft project I made (out of a 2nd hand tea towel) was 'tacky and cheap'. Um, cheap was sort of the point, and tacky is just mean. If they're sort of engaging in the conversation, but veering in the direction of personal attack, I will warn them that personal attacks aren't tolerated. No one has ever come back and tried me on that one.

A crappy comment can totally ruin my day. And it sucks. But I still find far more value in my internet involvement than bad stuff. So I continue, and do my best to remember that it's not me, it's them. Really, really them.
.-= Amber´s last blog ..Antibiotics and Agriculture =-.

I haven't ever left a comment that I thought was an attack. If I disagree with the post it's rare that I would bother to comment. I guess most of my comments are positive or supportive. I'm boring like that. :)
.-= Marilyn (A Lot of Loves)´s last blog ..Encounter of the Bunny-kind: Wednesday of Few Words =-.