Day Tripping With Some Sexy Bitches

Oct 02nd 2009

I'm going to write two separate posts about my trip to Philadelphia to visit the GlaxoSmithKline vaccination production facility.  The first post will be about my personal experience with meeting other bloggers for the first time, and the second post will go into greater detail about what I learned at GSK.

I have never met any other blogger, twitterer, or cyber friend in real life before.  For the most part, the idea makes me a bit uncomfortable.  I generally provide full disclosure here, and also write some very opinionated, polarizing statements that I know other people fucking hate me for.  Online, I can simply hit "delete" or "unfollow" if I don't like the 'tude I'm getting from somebody.  In person, I'm forced to be my most diplomatic self.  We (me, my husband, my friends) call it "The Gina Show."  It's not that it's a fake persona, it's just me on my best behavior.  I think we all do this.  When you're a fucking asshole like I (sometimes) am, that can be soooo exhausting.  I also tend to take things pretty personally, and where others can fight with someone one minute and be shaking their hand the next, I don't operate like that.  Yeah, yeah.  I know.  I'm an immature little snot.  Tell me something I don't know.

I certainly had my diplomacy work cut out for me on this trip because I wasn't meeting any bloggers who share my interests, or rant irately about cesareans and breastfeeding the way I do.  I wasn't even meeting anyone whose blog I'd ever read (aside from Kristen, who was present for the tour only, but not at the hotel, so we hardly saw her.)  If I were meeting Melodie from Breastfeeding Moms Unite, or Amber from Strocel.com, or my Cyber BFF from Unnecessarean (or a bunch of others) I'm sure we would have gushed about all the same topics and been brushing each other's hair by the end of the day.  That's not to say we all have the same exact opinions on things, but we are certainly very, very passionate about some of the same things, and that provides a lot of common ground to stand on.  Also, by sheer virtue of having read each other's blogs on many occasions, we all (I think) feel a certain warmth and respect for each other that would facilitate conversation, empathy, support, and instant bonding in real life.  Well, I could be totally projecting my feelings onto those three particular bloggers, but I would be very surprised if they'd disagree with me on that sentiment.

Bloggers But this was very different.  I had never read any of these other bloggers, and they run in a very different "scene" than I do.  Here's the list of women I met:

Steph at CreatureBug

Cecily at Uppercase Woman (thanks to her for the lovely picture of us all in the GSK parking lot)

Kristen from Motherhood Uncensored (who is 8 feet tall and 10 times hotter in person. Rowr.)

Devra and Aviva from Parentopia

Sarah from Sarah and the Goon Squad

Lori from Avacado8 (who didn't come on the tour, only to dinner, she lives in Philly.)

I was nervous enough about the whole trip, but I was trying to put me crazy-ass social anxiety aside and try to make the best of it.  I was off to a great start too.  As soon as I landed I got a text from Steph at Creature Bug asking where people were meeting.  We agreed to meet at the shuttle and travel to the hotel together.  She was quite friendly, I think we hit it off right away and we had a good 90 minutes of getting to know each other before we got to the hotel.  She had also never been to an event like this, so I didn't feel like I was the only person who didn't know anybody.  I was starting to feel a little more relaxed.  As soon as we checked in, we had to meet the other women for dinner right away.  All the other women we met knew each other very well, and had either been friends for years and years, or were at least very regular readers of each other's blogs and had met at previous blogging events.  They were also seasoned "monetizers" (a word I learned on the trip) meaning that this whole blogging thing was paying some bills for them.  That alone made me start to feel a little out of my league.

We sat down to dinner and before most people had their menus open Devra from Parentopia and I started talking about the GSK tour.  She made a comment about Big Pharma being "evil" (which, in retrospect, I think may have been sarcasm) but also mentioned that they can sometimes save some lives as well.  So I said that I felt the same way about cesareans; I love them when they're necessary and don't so much love them when they aren't.  Oh Gina.  Why don't you just keep your fucking pie-hole shut. (<-rhetorical question.)  So from across the table, Lori says "What was that?" and I am forced to repeat myself, knowing what was coming next.  She immediately stops the table and says "Okay, raise your hand if you have had a cesarean" and everyone except one person at the table raises their hand. 

(hint: If everyone at your table has had a cesarean, and you're NOT at an ICAN meeting, your cesarean-awareness-self is about to be hella uncomfortable.) 

And then of course the table broke into the "but-mine-was-really-necessary" stories and I felt like the Town A-Hole again.  This is where I shut the fuck up.  This is where I know I am not among my audience, and the kind of thing I write about (live, eat, breath, sleep, study, will-practice-law-someday-soon-for) is not going to be welcome conversation here.  Man, it's gonna be a looooooong night.

So I spent the next 15 minutes or so coming down from my social anxiety attack, and found a way to work myself back into the conversation (Gina, don't say shit about crunchy living.)  We ended up talking, joking, and discussing the world until nearly 11 pm, and it was a pretty good time.  I managed to blame my cesarean and formula feeding for my distance with my first son, a non-popular opinion again, but there was no spectacle made of it.

The next day we all boarded into a van and made the 2 hour trip up to Marietta PA for the GSK tour.  We had a lot of time to talk and joke about everything under the sun, and I was feeling more and more comfortable.  Perhaps I fit in after all.  I mean, these are moms, I'm a mom, we all have at least that in common, right? 

Well, don't worry, I put myself right back outside the circle when the GSK hosts asked us if we had any questions.  I asked about whether they had tested the vaccinations in groups, and if so, where could I find the results of that testing.  I asked about Thimerosal, why it was included in the Influenza and H1N1 vaccines.  I asked if they were aware of the study recently published that showed some devastating effects of Thimerosal, and I asked if they had been made aware of the recent findings by the Canadian Government that the flu shot was making people more susceptible to acquiring H1N1.  Of course GSK wasn't super jazzed about those questions, and I believe nobody else seemed to share my concern on those points.  (Oh Gina, you're such a trouble-maker.)  That line of questioning was talked about on the long 3 hour van ride back to Philly, and I was made even more aware that I was the only person in the vehicle who was still quite skeptical.  I was also the only person who felt that, if there was a real risk for autism, that should be enough to change the way vaccinations are made and/or administered.  The general consensus that I felt was that vaccinations save lives and there was no need to question the science.  Of course, being the advocate and analytic mind that I am, I say question everything.

Now, we all know I vaccinate my kids.  They've never missed one.  I do believe they have saved millions of lives and that vaccinations are a matter of public health.  But, I am also a die-hard believer in informed consent, and am sensitive to the reasons why some people don't vaccinate.  I would never suggest to one of my very best friends that it was okay her kid got autism as long as a bunch of other kids' lives were saved.  I think one case of vaccine-induced autism is too many.  I have a deep empathy for those who are raising special needs children, and I want to keep examining the science behind this until we know why this is happening to children, and we have stopped the epidemic.  So I spent a lot of time feeling like the only dickhead in the car who was beating up on those poor nice GSK folks (they were very nice, and I'll talk more about that in my next post.)

In summary, my first experience with meeting other bloggers was certainly a very interesting one.  I learned that I can participate in hours of conversation with mothers who are nothing like me, and I will not die of a panic-attack-induced stroke in the process.  I learned that until I know if everyone at the table has had a cesarean, maybe I should hold my cards closer to my chest while I test the water on that topic.  Not everyone can (or wants to) rattle off cesarean and infant mortality statistics the way I can.  And finally, I discovered a whole new subculture of this female/mother blogger community that I didn't even know existed, and in doing so, my awareness has been expanded.

So a big thanks to David Wescott for hooking me up with these women.  And stay tuned for the next post where I will put my head on a directly on the chopping block by talking about vaccinations.  As if people didn't have enough reasons to leave me nasty comments already, I'm gonna go and open that can 'o worms.

Duht-Duhnt-Duuuuuuhhhhnt.

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(and so you now, GlaxoSmithKline paid every dollar of this trip for me, so thanks again GSK)

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Gina it was fun getting to know you on the trip. Just have a couple of clarifications, Aviva and I do not have any ads on our site, Parentopia is not monetized at all and I was serious about pharma having a reputation for being evil but at the same time I also made mention that if GSK had not made Wellbutrin and Paxil many people I have had as clients or know personally would be hospitalized or dead.
I'm still working on getting my own round up written. I really could have used some Dexedrine, but they weren't handing samples out to us! ; )

I never felt like you were outside of anything. I had a great time and I love talking to women that have different experiences and opinions. It was very cool getting to meet and hang out with you.

Social media can be such an exhausting time suck sometimes. Then I miss things when I take a break and kick myself. ;)
I don't have any questions for GSK. I'm interested in what they told you they wanted you to come for and what happened when you were there. I am not a "Big Pharma is always evil" or "all public relations is connected to an evil agenda" person. But of course public relations has an agenda - that isn't bad, it just is. One needs to scope out the agenda so you know what the offer is for and decide whether it is something you can support.
I'll read your next post so I can see what GSK wanted to show you. :)

Jake, I don't know how you missed me talking about this trip. I talked about it incessantly for a week on Facebook, Twitter, and my blog. I also asked everyone who would listen if they had any questions they wanted me to ask GSK while I was there.

You best hope you don't meet me in real life because I am totally going to kick your ass for being forty minutes away from me and not letting me know you were here (though if I kept up on your blog better I would have figured it out on my own). ;)
I'm looking forward to your next post. I am interested to hear how this trip was pitched to you and what it was that GSK wanted to accomplish. Were the bloggers who were invited all parenting-oriented bloggers? Off the top of my head I don't know of GSK making much in the way of pediatric vaccines. I know they have a competitor to Gardasil on the way - are they shooting (pun intended) to not make the same marketing mistakes Merck did?
Also, given the recent #NestleFamily scandal, I am curious what kind of research you did about GSK's motives and practices before accepting the trip.

Umm...yeah. I've been that woman one too many times. Stroke inducing panic attack and all. I'm glad you learned a lot and I can't wait to hear more.
PS-I'd *totally* brush your hair. :)

I was so relieved to be able to hook up with you at the beginning! Sorry you had some panic inducing moments, but I thought you brought up some really great points with GSK. Like Cecily mentioned, I think they were restricted by legal, although I found it peculiar no one had heard about Canada's decision. Seems like that would be on their radar. I actually mentioned it again to Isabelle during lunch, but you might not have heard that conversation.
It's hard for me to reign in some of my pro-vax emotions, so I hope I didn't come across as too dogmatic.
AND! I hope your cakes turned out fabulously. I was thinking of you last night as I knew you were toiling through the hours.

I totally typed my comment on the iPhone in the movie theater as I waited to see Whip It (shit it was good) so forgive the typos.
I meant to say I was glad that you were there to answer the questions because then I didn't have to. :) Also, I think they would have loved to answer you but were restricted by legal. I could see them restraining themselves. :)
It is weird that so many of us DID have necessary c-sections; but I'm sure you got that I am totally on the side of there are too many done when I talked about my awesome, awesome doc who was kicked out of a practice for not doing ENOUGH c-sections. I'm so with you on that front.
And I do have trauma and PTSD around my daughter's birth and especially around that eight hours we were apart, and you know, I always forget to factor in the trauma of the birth and the c-section into why nursing was such a fight. Thanks for that.

I think it is very cool that you asked the hard questions when no one else did. You know, maybe they wanted to ask but like most women perhaps felt the need to be agreeable and grateful and not push the envelope. I mean GSK paid for the trip right? Maybe for some people it's along the same lines of someone inviting you to dinner and then you questioning why they eat meat because you've heard bad things about how animals are treated before slaughter. Hm. Is that a good comparison? Anyway, you weren't just asking for yourself, you were asking for tons of bloggers and readers who didn't get invited. And I thank you for that.
By the way, I would love to meet you too. I imagine we would be brushing each other's hair by the end of the day, or at the very least we'd be telling each other if there was broccoli stuck in our teeth. We'd certainly be having some good breastfeeding VBAC convos anyway. Maybe one day. Why don't they have a crunchy mama blogher event? Can't we start one?

Cecily, what are you sorry for? I thought you were fah-bulous. And yes, your cesarean was one of the necessary ones (and so were the others at the table, for the record) but given that 50-60% of all cesareans performed in the U.S. are not necessary (or were only necessitated by other unnecessary interventions) I am soooo used to hearing the "but mine was necessary" line and immediately knowing to shut the fuck up. The only women who want to hear what I have to say are the ones who felt robbed or cheated by theirs, and they are open to information.P.S. Don't stop being a pushy bitch.

Oh, honey! I am so sorry. I am such a pushy bitch that I forget that I get all preachy and shit. I was SO glad you were there to put them on edge do I didn 't have to. I would have totally done it if you wren't there.
I think you are awesome and beautiful, I love your blog and fully support what you are trying to acheive. Even tho my c-section WAS needed. :)

Hi,
Found your blog through Uppercasewoman. Great writing. I empathize with your childhood--we moved around a lot, also. I went to 10 different schools in three states by the time I got out of high school.
Don't give up your law school dream; I went back to college when I was 42 and got my BA when I was 45. Of course the economy went in the toilet and I haven't been able to find a job, but that's neither here nor there. Eventually things will work out for me.
I'll be back!
Jules
PS: Your son has the coolest name, ever. ;-D

I hop you know I would love to meet in real life. I did have the chance to meet Melodie once and it was pretty cool and surprisingly easy. Someday, right?
I think you and I have a similar approach to vaccination. My kids are fully vaccinated according to the recommended schedule. But ... but. I find it really off-putting to see how even asking questions about vaccination is often met with anger and hostility, or brings the implication you're an irresponsible parent. Vaccines save lives, I don't doubt it for a minute. But that doesn't mean that we can't investigate them and make them as safe as possible for everyone. I think that more willingness to engage in that conversation and ask the hard questions would actually increase confidence in the medicines, and reduce the polarization we see in this debate.
So yay, Gina, for asking the questions! :)

Many kudos to you for coming armed with research, knowledge, and the tough questions you asked! And really, why should GSK have expected anything less than a respectfully critical, analytical eye?
And *oh man* have I been "that girl" who has dared to question the necessity of all cesarean sections. Sometimes I think I've even caught a few people looking at me as if I have two heads when I've just mentioned that I've had a VBAC. But you never know if you've planted the seeds of cesarean awareness in someone's mind, right?

Uh oh! I think I'm one of those "But my cesarean was really necessary" people. But I still hated it and will try to avoid a repeat at all cost.
Glad you got to meet other bloggers! The Gina Empire just continues to expand!

I so appreciate you asking those tough questions. Thank you for that. They're many of the same ones I have, so really, KNOW that you're not alone, far from it, even if it might have felt like it in that particular crowd. I may have made a *slightly* different decision than you did (selective & delayed), but like you, informed consent is my biggest concern. Each parent has to weigh the risks and benefits, hopefully of each individual vax, too, and decide for themselves. I think you have some amazingly formidable balls (hey, ovaries are ball-shaped too, why do testicles get to have all the synonymous-with-courage fun?) for being forthright with your concerns and daring to question authority.

I was wondering how your trip was! One of GSK's meds is keeping someone I love alive and functioning.
I want to be a monetizer! Did you get the scoop?