I Bet You Didn’t Know You Were a Bad Mom

Jun 10th 2009

D3t There has been a lot of rumbling around my particular Twittosphere this week regarding parenting styles, and what it means to be a “good” or “bad” mom.  Notice I said “mom” because most people don’t even touch the dads on this issue – I’m guessing because women prefer to only judge and devour each other.
 
What I’ve discovered this week is that I’m a bad mom for giving my son Time-Outs.  I’m a bad mom for sleep training.  I'm a bad mom for vaccinating.  And I’m a bad mom for thinking that I’m a good mom.  Now… ain’t that some shit?

First of all, the day that pigs fly is the day that I’ll believe the kind of parenting I’m doing is "bad."  I’m actually jealous of my children.  They live a great life; a whole lot better life than I had growing up.  They are happy, and protected, and smart, and encouraged, and healthy, and well-behaved at least 95% of the time, and loved, and hugged, and loved some more.  Boy, sounds like I’m doing a pretty shitty job, doesn’t it?
 
Well, I’m not.  I’m doing an awesome job.  And so is my husband.

My feelings run so deep on this that I think I’m going to have to break this into three posts.  This post will deal my feelings on Time-Outs.  I’ll tackle the sleep training and “good mom vs bad mom” stuff in a day or two.

Boy, did I get pissed last week when I was told that giving my son Time-Outs was “damaging” our relationship and “negatively impacting” my child’s self-esteem.   Apparently there’s a “method” called “Time-In” in which is essentially the exact opposite of a "Time-Out."  According to this style when the child misbehaves, the root cause of the misbehavior is some need for the parent’s attention, so the parent should focus all their attention on that child for a set amount of time.  The article implies that A.) the only reason my child is misbehaving is because I’m neglecting or ignoring him and B.) as long as I’m 100% focused on my child he will not misbehave.  Neither of those things is true.

Okay, raise your hand if your child has ever gone ape-shit over some dumb little thing when you’re sitting right there playing with him/her – Anyone?  Anyone?  I know mine has.  I’ll be sitting there playing cars with him, and he’ll pick up a car and throw it across the room – just to test me.  So I’ll say, “we don’t throw cars, it could hurt someone.”  So  a few minutes later, the toddler, being a toddler, defies all logic and reason and picks up the nearest car and hurls it straight toward his baby brother’s nose.  Luckily he misses, so I firmly say “if you throw another car, we’re done playing.”  So, of course, it’s a power struggle now, and he needs to see exactly how much damage he can do before he finds himself in a heap of trouble.  Fast forward a few more minutes, and a car is whipped across the room hard enough to take out a lamp.  So I say “that’s it, the cars are being put away.”  The child has lost his cars privileges for the moment. 

Well, Insert screaming, tantrum, flailing, throwing himself on the floor, running around the room, knocking things over, yada, yada, yada.  Here is where the child needs a Time-Out.  And for those new-ish mothers with children under 2 who read this and think “my child would neeeeeeever do that” all I can say is, “oh, you just wait.”  I once had a dreamy little baby who could never, ever do any wrong.  Then he grew into a toddler.  There’s a reason they call it “The Terrible Twos”.  You are not immune to it, so get off your high-horse right now before Karma smacks you off it.
 
Back to the tantrum.  Jonas has lost his little mind temporarily, so there’s nothing left to do but place him in his special little Time-Out chair (adorable, isn’t it?).  He gets the “this is why you are here” speech, and he’s left to sit there for two minutes to chill the f*ck out.  A few minutes later, the child has calmed himself, and realizes sitting in a chair isn’t nearly as much fun as the cars we were playing with before he went berserk.  So he says he’s sorry, gives me a hug and a kiss, and is ready to continue the day without incident.  Problem solved.

This happens about twice a week on average.  Some weeks it doesn’t happen at all.  Some episodes are more severe than others, but it always, always works (unless he's sick or tired or something is really wrong, and in that case I realize that and we deal with the new circumstances.)

Would you believe the previous story sounds like child abuse to some people?  They actually call it “Non-parenting” or “Conditional Parenting” – as in, “you’re teaching the child that you’ll only parent them (i.e. love them) when they’re good.”  Okay, what the F ever.  I believe that kids need parents to teach them that there are choices and there are consequences.  Chilren NEED guidance.  Discipline shows them you give a crap.  And if you can’t play nice?  That’s your choice, but it’s MY choice not to play with you then!

And if the article was only offering a different option for discipline, or an alternative approach if Time-Out's aren't working (like this book does) then fine. I'm all for alternatives. And if that first article was only implying that sometimes children act out when mommy is not paying attention to them, then okay, I can see that the child might need attention.  Every mother has found herself taking a little too long in the bathroom, only to realize that her unattended toddler is up to his ears in trouble in the next room.  In that case, of course most mothers will drop what they’re doing (if they can) and go over and interact with the child.  Most moms realize that was their own dumb fault for not paying attention.  But that’s not a “style” or “technique”.  That’s just common sense parenting.  Nobody needs to tell me to get the hell off Twitter and go figure out why my kids are yelling at each other.  I just do that.  If the author of this article is just offering a different approach, however common-sensical and intuitive it ought to be, then she wouldn’t have been shaming those people who do use Time-Outs.  No.  Instead she was saying Time-Outs are “damaging”, and Time-Ins are “the right way”.  Okay lady, you do “Time-Ins” in your house, and call me when your child refuses to listen to their teacher/babysitter/coach and can’t be trusted out of your sight.  Nutcase.
 
I would also like to add that nobody else in the world is going to put up with your kid’s crap and give them a “Time-In” when they’re actin’ a fool.  In my house, we try to teach our kids how to behave out in the real world – and if they want someone to play with them, they better not act like jerks.  That will get them nowhere, fast.  

In short, what I’m doing works.  It works for us anyway, and if the "Time-In-Only" method is working for you, then what-ev-er, good for you, but don’t try to tell me I’m “damaging” my child.  Go focus your efforts on the crackheads and people who beat their kids.

…Next time on “I Bet You Didn’t Know You Were a Bad Mom” we’ll find out how letting your child sleep soundly at night is something akin to water-boarding.  Oh, the humanity.

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Your best line was in one your comments:
"My best guess is that the author of that article only has one child - and no job."
I think time-outs are great for kids -- I make sure my kids know beforehand what kind of behavior will get them a time-out and that we discuss it afterwards too so they know what to do if they want to avoid them. (And all that is predicated on the kid being old enough to "reason," at least a little bit; for us that starts around 2 - 2 1/2)
And also, I need time-outs from time to time.
Looking forward to your other posts, esp. the one on "you're a bad mom if you think you're a good one."

My upcoming post will deal almost entirely with the fact that "Sleep
Training" does NOT mean Ferberizing or CIO.  I would NEVER do either of
those methods on my children, but most people fail to see that there
are a gillion other gentle approaches to sleep training (even Pantley,
Sears, and Gordon say so) other than the Ferber method.

We can agree to disagree and I'll agree to stay away from your upcoming post on sleep training as long as you don't say that any child that isn't ferberized will have a sleep disorder. ;)

I think we're going to have to agree to disagree here.
I should note, however, when I was thinking about this last night I was
reminded of all the times I've sat and chuckled (to myself) when my
child has had an Oscar-worth temper tantrum that's more hilarious than
it is destructive.  He doesn't aallllways get a Time-Out for temper
tantrums - just when he's being aggressive toward others/the
furnishings/the dog/etc.  But sometimes he throws himself on the floor
and screams over "oh my god I need a lollipop and Mama you're
kiiiillllling me by not giving me a third one today" and all I can do
is look the other way and giggle, before offering him a cup of yogurt
instead.

1) I never compared wearing pajamas 24 hours a day with throwing cars around the room. I made it clear throwing cars was never acceptable. Temper tantrums, on the other hand, I think are sometimes acceptable.
2) I'm not comparing VBAC and Ceserean to Time-Out vs. Time-In. I'm trying to compare the way that people talk about them. I'm trying to explain that just because something is common practice, doesn't mean it is best. Just because you do something and it works for you, doesn't mean it has no downside. Just because someone points out the downsides of it, doesn't mean it is an attack on you and your choices. It wasn't a thinly veiled attempt to hit one of your hot buttons. It was a very overt attempt to try to relate my argument to something you would understand. I could also have used breast vs. formula. What example I choose doesn't really matter because I'm not trying to compare the relative risk of one to the other.

Shaye,
You need not worry about expressing an opinion here, even a dissenting
opinion, so long as it's done in a respectful way and not in a way that
forces me to hit the "Delete" button (like I've had to do on some
trolls who only come here to swear at me.)
As you mentioned, the article never does express what should be done
when there is more than one child involved , which is one of the ways I
think the article is a huge failure.  Mothers are only left to infer
meaning and apply the advice to their own situation, and many of us
have more than one child, so we immediately think "how in the world
could that even work in my situation?  Cuhh-razy!"
I also have to say that if a parent is "isolating" or "shaming" the
child in the Time-Out, then they're doing it wrong.  First of all, the
correct use of a Time-Out is for a parent to stay near the child - the
purpose is to remove them from the situation and give them a chance to
gather themselves, not to lock them alone in a room somewhere.  Second,
the most imperative step to the Time-Out is that the parent tells the
child why they were in the time-out, how they are expected to act when
the come out, and then gives the child a hug/kiss/affection thereby
ending the session.  I see no way that an appropriate use of a Time-Out
could make a child feel that "the adult's love and care of the child is
conditional" -direct quote from the article.
(I should also mention on an aside that my child actually loves his
Time-Out chair - it's his own special little "get-it-together" place
because it's never treated as a "shaming" or "isolating" tool.) 
The article used bulled points to say "here is why Time-In is the right
way" and "Here is why Time-Outs are the WRONG way.  Again, this was
more than offering an alternative.  It was offensive to me.  It was an
incomplete, inaccurate assessment of an often effective behavior
modification tool that has never been proven to "damage" a child.
But that's just what I got out of it.  Everyone's entitled to take from
it what they will.
Read more: http://peaceful-parenting.suite101.com/article.cfm/timein_versus_timeout#ixzz0IE5sa8CKC

Annie, I think that you and I are speaking a different language. 
Perhaps it's a Canadian/American language barrier.
I do not consider Time-Outs to be "punishment," rather, is is a
behavior modification tool.  It is an effective tool to calm a child
who is acting out for reasons ranging from over-stimulation to
limit-testing.  I do not consider it punishment by any stretch of the
imagination.
Second, obviously there is a major difference between wearing pajamas
24 hours a day, and throwing cars across the room.  I can't imagine how
you can compare the two. Of course my children know that certain dress
is appropriate during the day, and we wear pajamas at night.  They know
that because I provide them with consistency, which is my foundation of
discipline - meaning I don't teach them we wear pajamas on one night
and not the next.  Same reason I teach my child that screaming and
breaking a lamp is not okay at home OR in public.  Not okay. Period.
And I cannot imagine how you can bring up VBAC and Ceserean in
comparison to Time-Outs and Time-Ins.  Forced or coerced cesareans are
in violation of every level of law existing in the United States and
are considered CRIMINAL assault and battery.  I advocate against the
criminal assault, and the physical and emotional trauma of a coerced
surgical birth that many women face in this country.  I truly hope you
are not comparing time-outs to criminal assault, or a producer of
life-long physical and emotional trauma.  I actually cannot imagine any
reason you'd put VBACs and Time-Ins in the same thought other than a
thinly veiled attempt to hit one of my hot buttons.  There is
absolutely no comparison, and we'll leave it at that.

I do teach my kids that different things are okay in different circumstances because that is how the world works. It is okay to run around at the park. It is not okay to run around in traffic. It is okay to wear pajamas to bed. It is not okay to wear pajamas to school. It is okay to have a temper tantrum at home. It is not okay to have a temper tantrum in a restaurant.
I do discipline my children. I just generally don't punish them. Punishment is an absolute last resort for me if nothing else works, but it rarely comes to that. I don't let my kids throw toys. It is not appropriate. But if my kid decides to have a temper tantrum because she isn't allowed to throw toys, I won't punish her for having a temper tantrum.
If you want to use punishment as a discipline tool and it works for you, then go ahead. I just want to point out that it isn't a matter of deciding between punishment or out of control kids. There are other ways. If they are not for you, that is fine. But they work for me.
I guess I just don't understand why you are getting upset about an article talking about the potential risks of a discipline method you have chosen. Especially given how outspoken you are about, for example, VBACs. Plenty of people will say "once a cesarean, always a cesarean". That is common practice in lots of hospitals with lots of OBs. Just because it is common practice and is what most people do, doesn't mean that it is the best way and doesn't mean it is without risks. It also doesn't mean that someone that chooses a second c-section is a failure or that they won't have a perfectly healthy outcome. Same goes for punishment in my books. Lots of people punish their kids. It is common practice. Plenty of people that use punishment have great kids and have a wonderful relationship with their kids. But that doesn't mean that there are no downsides to using punishment as a discipline tool.

I've been highly defensive in the past when it cames to anyone mentioning one of my parenting decisions as something other than wonderful. So I get your frustration.
Though I’ve never heard the term “time in” before, I appreciated a little bit of what the author shared. This is just me, so please don’t trash me. I’ve used time outs before. I’m the first to admit when something I tried doesn’t work with MY children while I attempt to sort out the underlying issues associated with its failure. It’s happened a lot in the last few years. For my family, the issues I’ve experienced with time outs fall very much in line with what she shares as potential lessons (particularly isolation and shame which are both part of why we don’t spank, as well), so it was helpful to see it from another mother’s viewpoint. While commenters here write that they can’t imagine they should “ignore the hurt child” that got hurt (which I never see implied in the article) and “shower the attacker with attention” or to ignore the kids who’s being good or any of the issues brought up in the comments about the mother’s age or number of children or age of children or even the easy personality of her children (you get the point) -- we’re all speculating in anger. Some here may feel she’s personally telling you that you’re damaging your child and negatively impacting their self esteem, she really and truly doesn’t say this in black and white (at least I didn’t see that, but I very well may have missed it). She only offers that time outs (she clarifies that in particular using negative labels like “naughty”) may “carry the POTENTIAL” to damage the relationship negatively. And since it’s in the same sentence, the “affect the child’s self-esteem” is implied in “carry the POTENTIAL” as well. All of our actions as parents carry potential. Right? I can’t argue with that one (though I was admittedly sick of hearing people telling me about how the potential for rupture I had when HBAmCing).
I know I’m the oddball in your comments. I hate awkward controversy (I don’t twitter, either), so I am halfway inclined to just delete all this and move on. You have a great group of active commenters here. I don’t mean to offend anyone, but I simply didn’t read this article as “shaming” all time-out parents or saying they are all damaging their children. In my eyes, she attempted to offer her (admittedly unusual) position and included potential issues she saw with the alternative all in her defense and explanation.
Also…I just have to say that I really love your blog (and read it regularly as another VBAC sister). I’ll be back again.

Awww shucks.  Thanks ;)

I just wanted to say first that your blog has become one of my very, very favorites, and this post reinforced for me why this is so!
My spirited, stubborn, and smart child also gets time-outs. And while I always remind him that he is a good boy (despite the fact that he sometimes *does* naughty things), I do make certain to let him know when he has done something categorically wrong (such as hurling a book at his baby brother's face). This is because, even though I will be the first to argue that there are lots of moral grey areas out there, there is also behavior that is wrong; and if he does something wrong out there in the "real world," there will be consequences for that behavior. And they certainly won't be as pleasant as a time out! ((Whether those consequences adequately reflect criminal behavior or are meted out fairly is another matter entirely...)

Sorry, when I say "the child" in reference to a story I'm telling about my own child I mean "MY child." I'm not all that interested in how other people handle their children's behavior, unless it's negatively affecting my child, and then it is my bidnass.
My nearly 3-yr old has a large enough vocabulary (bilingual - english and spanish) to tell me what his malfunction is. He talks in complete, coherent sentences to anyone who will listen to him, and adjusts his language based on who he's speaking to. In a situation like the one above, he's not interested in communicating. He's only interested in the cause and effect. He's thinking "exactly how disruptive can I be before she puts a stop to it." The kid is smart. So, I show him exactly how far he can take it before his fun is over. The child's job is to test us, and our job is to establish what is appropriate behavior and what is not. Throwing toys is not appropriate. Not in my house anyway. And we don't do things differently in the house than we would do outside the house because I think children need consistency. I think it sends a very mixed message to say "This is fine at home, but I won't put up with it in public." I won't put up with throwing toys no matter where we are. I am flexible, but not to the point that my child won't know for sure what's right and what's wrong.
I have an uncle whose daughter is the subject of almost every family gathering because her parents have never once disciplined her, and it shows. People don't like having her around because she won't listen to anyone. I never want my child to be talked about that way, and when we had kids my husband and I decided that we were not going to have the type of children that nobody else wanted to be around. As far as I'm concerned this discipline stuff is all for their own good.

Call me crazy if you want, but I actually encourage temper tantrums in my 2 year old. No, I don't let her throw toys or hurt people and I will intervene if she is doing something destructive, but if she has a temper tantrum, I show her a better way of stamping her feet rather than telling her she has to stop. I think it is healthy to encourage children to express their emotions and at that age they don't necessarily have the words to do so. So if stomping her feet or crying will let her do that, it is fine with me. If she is having a temper tantrum because I forbid her from doing something or refused to give her something, I don't cave, but I also don't prevent her from expressing herself. I don't encourage temper tantrums in all situations (e.g. in a restaurant I make it pretty clear that it is not appropriate), but if she wants to have a temper tantrum at home that's fine with me.
Do whatever works for you. Really. It is no business of mine. But if you say "Here is where the child needs a Time-Out" when talking about a temper tantrum, I'll just say that is not what is right for MY FAMILY and MY CHILD. I hope you agree. Otherwise, it really isn't any better than someone telling you that you should use time-ins instead of time-outs. :D

I give Mason time out-and I will do the same thing with Hannah. If I say to Mason,"If you do that one more time, you are getting a time out". uess what? He usually STOPS what he is doing. Seems to work for us.
In the article it says,"Time-out focuses on right and wrong."
Of course! I am trying to teach my child right from wrong-don't we all!?

Time-outs don't seem to work too well for us, but that doesn't mean I'm against them. It means I really, really wish they worked. ;o) Orion won't sit in one place even when he's 'behaving', so trying to get him to do that when he's 'misbehaving' is like banging my head against a brick wall.
I have to admit I've threatened to send him straight to bed on more than one occasion though, so I think I'd have your detractors all about ready to call social services on me. ;o)

Oh dammit, one last thing --- It's one thing to casually mention that you make your baby food - and it's a WHOLE other thing to tell another moms she's "damaging" her child by not doing that - and that it's "cruel" to use store-bought baby food, and that you're "not parenting" when you're not making baby foo.
Do you see the difference? I'm sure if you straight out shamed others for the choices they make and told them they were cruel and damaging, you'd expect someone to rise up in their own defense and lay the smack down on that bullshit.
(I'm thinking the unfortunate part of Twitter is that not everyone can see the entire conversation you're having with others, so you must not have seen the "you're cruel" and "you're not being a parent" comments that were directed at me last week because of this.) #twitterfail.

I should also add the "torture device" comment came after a realllllly long day of listening to one particular poster say that sending a child to a naughty chair is "cruel" and is "conditional parenting". Again, that wasn't me projecting - that's what was being said TO me.

I agree with the "bad momminess" as of late - it is a defense mechanism. I'd never embrace the title like others do. I've made it quite clear that I am NOT a bad mommy whether someone else wants to think so or not. I find it offensive that so many mothers want to throw in the towel and say "Yep, I'm a bad mommy and proud of it!" You won't find me saying that. (whole other post though.)
The main reason the article realllllly pissed me off is that it flat out said in black and white that I was "damaging" my child. It's one thing to offer an alternative, or not agree with one's techniques, but it's entirely another to say they are "damaging" their child for doing something that is widely accepted as a perfectly safe and healthy form of discipline.
I didn't "feel" threatened - I *WAS* threatened - with "damaging" my child and causing them "negative self-esteem" if I continue what we're doing. That is the part I find unacceptable.

While I have little qualms about "time outs" (other than I question if they really work all that great) I can't imagine that anyone actually surmised that you were a "bad mommy" for giving them. I think this whole "oh, I must be a BAD MOMMY" thing (and calling your chair a torture device) is a defense tactic someone uses when their parenting is somehow threatened in any way. What you should be saying is, "no, actually I'm an amazing parent and we just have different styles," because nothing that you're doing is actually bad - and you KNOW that. You're the one giving yourself the "bad" moniker, not them.
Whenever I've talked about cosleeping, making my own baby food, not Ferberizing, chemicals found in formula, etc. inevitably someone always assumes because I parent DIFFERENTLY than them that I think they're a bad mommy. This couldn't be further from the truth. Just because I made my baby's food doesn't mean I give a rat's ass if anyone else does the same. People need to stop being so threatened by the choices and opinions other people make and start having confidence in the way they are lovingly raising their children. Just because someone is insecure about the way they parent doesn't mean it's my responsibility to not talk about the way I do things for fear it might hurt someone's feelings. Do I think time outs suck and unhelpful? Maybe, but why should you care? If they work for you, just do them.
Let's reserve the "Bad Mommy" nonsense for those who are actually abusing or neglecting their children... I call for a moratorium on this passive aggressive crap (hello, we can't ALL be midwesterners) and start realizing that just because someone has an opinion about a parenting style that differs from yours doesn't automatically make you BAD. it's just differences in opinions. you know... like, opinions are like cowboy hats: every asshole's got one? yeah, like that. Embrace your good mommy-ness and just walk away from opinions of others that may differ from yours. You know you're a good mommy and that's all that counts.

My next-door-neighbor told me last week that she doesn't use time-outs because she can't get her son to stay in them. I totally understand that. I know it just doesn't fly with some kids. Luckily my toddler took to the idea really easily. He has always stayed in the chair without any issue - like he's invisibly glued into it. And when we're out in public, he gets his time-outs in makeshift chairs and still stays glued where he's told. Now, I'm about to have a second toddler who's the polar opposite of his big brother in a LOT of ways, so we'll see if this holds true for him. I'll have to adjust my discipline style as we roll along, but in my house everything we ever learned from the Super Nanny has worked like a charm - even on my headstrong Leo!

On what planet does it make sense to reward a child for misbehavior? Failing to give a child boundaries and guidance is neglect. Lovingly correcting is parenting.

So, wait. Not yelling, calmly explaining consequences, removing your child from the situation so that he understands that his behavior was wrong, having the "this is why you are in time-out" talk, etc. is bad parenting? What about the people that beat the crap out of their kids for less than throwing cars across the room 3 times after calmly being told not to? (I am anti-spanking, especially if the child is under the age of 2. But that's just me). There are worse things that you could be doing. Your children are clearly well adjusted, smart, and loved...and NOT abused. Some people are just never happy with anything that isn't "their way."

^ will be that horrible white trash across the street that lets her kids play outside all day by themselves . . . in their barefeet.
All of our "city folk" relatives were just here and they were horrified by my nice manicured neighborhood that was infested with children playing outside all day, by themselves, in their bare feet. Maybe its just a middle of the country thing.

OOOooo Boy. I have four children, and though I am by no means a perfect parent, I can not stand when some uppity bitch with one child, usually an infant, tells me I'm doing something wrong. Or better yet, suggests the right way I should be doing something.
I'm only 28 and yes, I have a 9 year old daughter. Shows you what early admission to college will get you! ;)
Regardless, I've never once judged someone for their parenting (except for that horrible white trash across the street that lets their kids play outside all day by themselves...in their barefeet).
Makes me kind of glad I'm not into the twitter thing. I have an account, but it's just my aunts on it.

This is exactly why I don't even begin thease discussions with people. If you don't want to do it my way-fine- let us talk about something else. I hope I never twitter!

I too think it's a bit rich when the parent of a small baby or completely compliant and docile child tries to tell people with spirited toddlers that all they need to do is emit more sunshine and roses and everything will magically change. Bwwahahahaha! I am having a sort-of issue with this with a friend of mine who thinks my daughter has too many tantrums and plays too rough because her daughter has only just turned two.It sounds horrible but I almost can't wait until she realises how you can't just do a sticker chart and make all bad behavior disappear.

"get off your high-horse right now before Karma smacks you off it." - Love it.
My 9 year old still gets time outs. It stops the bad behavior without my having to yell. Which I appreciate.

I tried time outs with my little one, and they didn't work simply because he flat out refused to stay there. Nothing I did would make him stay. In the end, I sat with him to make him stay. He disliked being removed from what he was doing just as much as if he was sitting on his own. In fact, on some occasions, depending on how out of control he was, I'd have to literally hold his body parts down with my arms and legs to stop him kicking, scratching or biting me: both his legs pinned under my legs crossed around him, one arm holding his hands and the other arm holding his head across his forehead.
Man, it's moments like those when you realise how incredibly strong a two year old can be.
Thankfully, these days (at 5.5 years old), it rarely comes to a time out/in. Usually the threatened loss of a privilege will (eventually) stop the undesired behaviour, even if it comes down to actually losing the privilege.
I had a conversation sort of about this with another mother a few weeks ago. We came to the conclusion that those with compliant children really don't understand how difficult it can be to have a really strong-willed child. It's not just a matter of redirecting them or just telling them no. It's full on.
Of course, I know that his stubborness, strong character and desire to do his own thing will do him very well when he's older, so I'm very pleased he's the way he is (especially that he's not a comformist), but now, when there are things that I do really do know better about, it's very difficult. *sigh*

I know I'm way late in replying here, but oh well! You know, I often wonder how parents with strong-willed kids do it. And it really makes me mad when I hear other moms telling my friends who have strong-willed kids to "just put them in time out." I've SEEN what happens when you try to "just put them in time out." It's even more of a struggle than dealing with whatever "behavior issue" they were having. Just because my kids or someone else's kids will stand in time out without question doesn't mean that all kids will and it's not anything that anybody is doing wrong.

The broad who wrote that article "...lives near Seattle", as I do as well and I can reassure you that there are definitely many people here living various different types of "alternative lifestyles" and such, but all the moms I know would NEVER buy into that "Time In" crap.
To me, it sounds like the mom inviting the kid to sit around a campfire with them as both mom and child play 'happily' by roasting marshmallows and singing 'Kumbaya'.
Oh well, at least it's better than getting spanked, which is something I am totally, 100% AGAINT. Period.
BTW, gotta be honest and say that I personally don't dig that 'Time Out' chair from the above pic that you keep talking about, but as ALWAYS, that's my 2 cents there for ya...

Or people with only one child or those with children more than four years apart.

"And for those new-ish mothers with children under 2 who read this and think “my child would neeeeeeever do that” all I can say is, “oh, you just wait.”
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!
That's who writes parenting books, you know. People with 18 month olds.

somedays i think that us "bad parents" are the only ones who are teaching our children how they need to behave in the real world. i do believe that when my kids misbehave they do want attention...and they do get it.

I completely agree. That was my first thought when I read it -- "what about the kid that's being good?"
My best guess is that the author of that article only has one child - and no job.

I still find this ridiculous. It makes my brain hurt to think that if a child is misbehaving that you should shower them with attention. They lay a smack down on a sibling and you should ignore the hurt child and shower the attacker with attention? I think *that* would damage your relationship with the other child and warp the brains of the naughty child into thinking whenever they want your undivided attention they just need to do a negative something.