Independent Women Will Be Cut

Jun 23rd 2010

Without trying to sound ageist or condescending, every time I see a 20-something year old on Jezebel bragging about the cesarean she’d sign up for if she were ever pregnant, I want to butt in and say “Don’t you see?!?!  That’s what they WANT you to do!!!” Toward the end of this post I’ll explain what They want, and why we shouldn’t give it to them, but first, let’s talk about the language of “choice” in relation to birth.

So many young women today think that drugged-up births and cesareans are the “feminist” choice, and that labor pains are oppressive or patriarchal in nature.  I understand… I really do.  I once was that girl.  I thought anything that could disconnect me from my biology meant freedom, and even joked about wanting a hysterectomy before I ever had kids.*  I didn’t necessarily want a cesarean (I’m scared of surgery) but when I became pregnant, I had blind faith that the obstetrician I hired could easily and painlessly remove the parasite I was growing in my womb with a nice epidural cocktail and some forceps.  Simple, right?

Of course I had no education whatsoever about epidurals or forceps or cesareans, and how much damage they could do to a woman’s body.  I just assumed that if the technology existed, then they must have perfected it, and if it could keep me from feeling a contraction then by golly, I had to get me some of that.

We all know how that worked out for me.  I learned the hard way that attempting to circumvent nature had a miserable outcome for me, and once that happened, I started to wonder why I’d had so little faith in (or love for) my body’s amazing abilities to begin with.   And then I started to discover that my mistrust and contempt for my biological functions came from years of programming by The Establishment.

See, if I stay home to have my baby, the local hospital, OB, and pharmaceutical company doesn’t make a penny, and exercises no control over my body.  However, if I go get me one of those cesareans, well… a whole lot of people are making money; obstetricians, anesthesiologists, drug companies, makers of surgical supplies, hospital administration, etc, etc.  And me? I’m left with a scarred uterus for the rest of my life, which will greatly limit my choices in the next pregnancy, and further compromise my health.**  Thanks Doc!

So, what if you decide to take control over your birth?  Ah, well, The Establishment doesn’t like that.  In this brilliant 2008 expose, Born in the USA: How a Broken Maternity System Must Be Fixed to Put Women and Children First, Dr. Marsden Wagner pulls back the curtain and shows us exactly how The Establishment feels about a woman who attempts to humanize, personalize, or retain autonomy over her own birth experience.

In his book, Dr. Wagner (an obstetrician and former Director of Women and Children’s Health for the World Health Organization) explains,

“This table heaps contempt on women whose ideas and preferences for giving birth inconvenience the doctor.  Many obstetricians find the table hilariously funny.  Isn’t it frightening that the ultimate weapon obstetricians use to punish overly “independent” women is to cut into their bodies, using a surgical procedure (cesarean section) only obstetricians can perform, which completely deprives the women of control over their own bodies?”

Yes, Dr. Wagner – it IS frightening.  Even more frightening is the fact that so many young women frivolously joke about electing a procedure that you describe as nothing short of violence against women.  All the while, women and babies are dying at a higher rate in the U.S. than in most other developed countries.  In a fact sheet offered by The Safe Motherhood Quilt Project, it is noted that,

“The maternal mortality rate for cesarean section is four times higher than for vaginal birth and is still twice as high when it is a routine repeat cesarean section without any emergency.”

In fact, our U.S. maternal mortality rates are so high, earlier this year Amnesty International released a report titled “Deadly Delivery: The Maternal Health Crisis in the US”, calling for the United States to make dozens of changes to women’s health care, including “establishing clear national guidelines… for the appropriate use of medical interventions and procedures such as c-sections.”

How did we get here, and how can we turn this around?  Well, so many brilliant authors and film makers have already shown us the many ways that handing over the keys to our biological castle has backfired for women.  All we have ever wanted to do is be treated as equals, yet instead we discover that The Establishment has found ways to capitalize on our desire for independence, and ultimately, punish us for it – during the most vulnerable and transformative period of our entire lives, no less.

All of this sounds very Debbie Downer, and my intention isn’t to scare women, or inject fear into a woman’s birth experience.  Contrarily, books like Marsden Wagner’s are focused on exposing the problems, and proposing solutions to the mess we’re in.  Independent women need to be aware of the real price of trying to buy the “perfect, painless” birth experience from surgeons, and think about ways to change the system for the betterment of all women and babies.

Last year I gave a 10-minute talk in an advanced public speaking course on this very topic.  When I finished, one young woman raised her hand and said,

“Wow, I never knew any of this.  I always figured I’d sign up for a c-section the minute I got pregnant, but you’ve really got me thinking.”

And that’s all I hope for.  I want more young feminists to ask “Are we taking control over our own bodies, or are we really just unwittingly giving all the control away and labeling that a choice?” and “When I enter my birth environment, am I sure I’ll be treated with respect, or are the residents joking that my desires for an autonomous birth just bought me a ticket to the OR?” If it’s the latter, then it’s time to demand better, and to keep demanding it, until our maternal and infant mortality rates reflect the amount of money women are paying into our maternity care system.

I won’t put up with a doctor joking about cutting me just because I hyphenated my last name or wrote a Birth Plan, and neither should you.

Now… what’s your gut reaction to seeing the table above?

UPDATE: For those who were even one bit skeptical about whether or not I could possibly be right about physicians opposing autonomy, this week Kingsdale Gynecologic Associates in Columbus Ohio sent a letter to their patients banning doulas and birth plans. Here’s their letter: http://birthingbeautifulideas.com/?p=1922

There you have it. RUN LIKE HELL LADIES!!!!!!!!!

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*In a display of pure irony, the period I wrote about in that post ended up being my Last Menstrual Period (LMP) before I got unexpectedly pregnant with my first son.  Sometimes the Universe has a way of forcing us to deal with things.

**No matter how many times I insist that SOME cesareans sections are 100% necessary and life-saving, people always complain that I don’t leave that disclaimer enough, so here it is again.  SOME cesareans are 100% necessary and are worth the risks involved. However, The World Health Organization estimates that a national cesarean rate of 15% is “a threshold not to be exceeded,” yet our current national rate is 32%.  In some hospitals, it’s twice that.  This says a lot.

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jourdan_m 7 pts

Gina I don't exactly remember how I came across your blog but I am glad that I did. I plan on having kids 5 years from now, and I have always been against a c-section, but I didn't know how frequently c-sections are given in perfectly healthy mothers. With 5 years tentative years to go I will be researching as much as I can to make sure that I have the birth experience that I want and not what some doctor decides to choose for me. Thanks :D

TheFeministBreeder 75 pts moderator

jourdan_m You're welcome! These are the kind of comments I love! :)

My latest conversation: Things I Would Say to the Hospital Staff If I Saw Them Today…

I love this post! If I had read it before my first Cesarean, I wouldn't have had one. Alas, it took me 6 years and two Cesareans to figure it out how to take back my birth rights. Now, when I see a first-time pregnant woman, I make it a point to tell her what a beautiful experience giving birth is. More often than not, this startles her; she had been expecting yet another horror story.

WindDancer 10 pts

Birth doesn't have to be a negative experience! We can change perceptions! Awesome work you're doing!

What's weird is that when I had my daughter three years ago at 18 (I know, I know) I really did ask if I could have a c section. However, I had just started providing my own insurance that year and under the policy I had, you had to have had the policy for 12 months for them to cover prenatal care.

So basically the doctors did EVERYTHING in their power to not let me get a c section. I'm guessing because they figured they would never get the money out of me. So I guess being broke (but not broke enough for wellfare) actually helped me out huh?

I did have ab induced (pitocin) birth and an episiotomy that they didn't even mention as well as an epidural. They really didn't even want to give me that. The one thing I did want to do was breastfeed though, but they took my daughter away without even letting me hold her and gave her formula. Then 4 hours later they tried to bring her in for me to breastfeed. Obviously that didn't work. But, lesson learned, next time I will know.

Yikes on that chart!

I had been planning a homebirth, but wound up needing a cesarean (after 34 hours at home I stalled at 8 and it turns out that my baby was presenting brow first, which has a 50% c-section rate on The Farm), and my birth was the most empowering experience of my life. After 33 hours of labor I realized that something was not right at all. I decided to go to the hospital to get some help (which they refused, apparently they don't staff doctors overnight), and by the time the doctor offered a c-section I knew I needed it and agreed willingly. The c-section went so well that I was home 32 hours later.

Now, I don't want another c-section ever again, but the fact that I labored so long naturally, and that I knew something was wrong and made my own decisions are incredible gifts. Yes, I had surgery, but it was on my terms, and that's all I can ask for.

WindDancer 10 pts

But see, that's great. C-sections for emergencies are essential.

I scored a 45 the first time around...no wonder I ended up where I did!

Boy, some of these comments are really wild. Especially the lady who thinks her baby spending a week in NICU after an induction plus C-Section was a 'positive' outcome! Wow! If I were her I would be looking at all the statistics on atrogenic prematurity and wondering if my doc was one of those clowns.

The really frustrating thing though is this constant refrain of it being all about self-indulgent mothers who want a 'birth experience.' Where does this even come from? For me, and for most other pro-natural birthers I know it's about the science: I wanted to give my son the best possible change to grow up healthy and strong -- and with a mother to take care of him. And if that's your goal, then there's only one answer: don't get a C-Section unless you damn well need one.

I had to fight through obnoxious, dishonest, condescending doctors in order to not have a C-Section. It became clear to me early in pregnancy that the real reason the OBs were pushing for a C-Section was: IVF baby with two lawyer parents. It probably also didn't help that I have a strong science background and asked them for large scale population studies assessing risks of various treatments ... I had no idea what a red button word that was until much later when I read Henci Goer. The poor doctors must have practically fainted when I walked in the door. I was their worst nightmare!

Long story short, after getting totally frustrated with the irrational, malpractice-haunted OBGYNs I found a great family doc who actually made decisions based on my real medical needs rather than his malpractice coverage. Great birth, healthy alert baby who crawled up my tummy and latched on within a few minutes of coming out ... and nursed like gangbusters from that moment forward. Whenever I talk to a woman who says her C-Section went 'great' and then starts bemoaning the fact that even though she wanted to much to nurse her baby she just couldn't make milk, or he just never figured out how to latch on or whatever ... I have to bite my tongue to not tell her about all the studies on breastfeeding problems after C-Sections. Not to mention the higher asthma rates and everything else the OBGYNs never ever tell you about.

I actually think that a lot of my good birth experience was attributable to having family doc instead of an OBGYN. I firmly believe that if OBGYNs had to do the pediatrics for the babies they deliver we'd soon see fewer C-Sections. Or not. Maybe the cynics are right, after all when they say it's all about the bottom line. And the evidence is starting to accumulate the C-Section babies keep on making money for doctors for years after their deliveries.

Sad epilogue to my story, however: this great family doc has been pushed out of the local hospital by a larger, aggressively interventionist OBGYN group, which is now the only birth care provider in the county. So with baby number two I'm having to make some hard choices.

So frustrating! It seems like a downward spiral: OBGYNs' non-evidence based practices create medical complications, which makes birth look more and more scary to most women, who don't know enough to ask for healthier birth options, which means that the elective C-Section guys make more and more money and their profit margins become the baseline, which means that hospitals deem natural birth a money-losing proposition, so even fewer options are available .... and so on and so on.

And then I read the Amnesty International Report on maternal mortality in the States and it's so depressing. Case after case of very young very poor mothers who were automatically slotted into (probably unnecessary) C-Sections and then ignored in post-op while they bled to death or died of infections. It's sickening.

So how do we CHANGE it? How do we make birth safer not just for the Volvo driving feminists -- but also for the poor young mothers who are the most tragic victims here? Nothing we say seems to make any dent -- except to provoke idiots like these into mocking us as 'birth experience' fanatics. Which is just SO not the issue. For me the C-Section mess in the states is about one thing and one thing only: thousands of kids growing without mothers for no damn reason at all. But that message just never seems to get any air time....

Two questions: 1. Who checks their own cervix at home? Didn't know that was possible... and 2. What's wrong with bringing my own Walkman??? =)
Seriously though, I'm about to attempt a VBAC (any day now) and I've learned a lot from your posts. Thanks for making it an issue, I'll be thinking about TFB at some point I'm sure while in labor!

Answer to question #1: lots of people, actually! I did, and when I told my sOB that, he laughed at me. Now I know why. But seriously lots of women (and husbands) do this. You can too! Love your cervix. She's your friend.

Great post! After sharing with a few friends and talking about this subject, I came up with this simple question:

Why would anyone anticipate a hospital situation by saying that they want the MOST invasive procedure with the longest healing time?

I thought I was doing my part by allowing my husband's 18 year old niece to witness my non-induced, non-medicated, birth in the hospital. Unfortunately, she said not long after delivery that she still wanted to be medicated when she had kids. Granted, she comes from a family that makes fun of breastfeeding, so I shouldn't have expected much...

I have to admit when I saw the birth movies, the scheduled c-section looked so clean and pleasant I was drawn to it. However my lovely OB-GYN violently disagreed. It was her opinion that C-sections were only to be done in extreme circumstances when life or health were in serious danger.

Excellent post. With my first pregnancy, they induced, gave an epidural, and laid me flat on my back... none of which had been remotely discussed before I arrived... and when I was getting too close to 5pm on a Friday without delivering (despite the twenty students in the room, observing), they threatened me with a C-section. Luckily for me, an unlucky college friend had just gone through the process and had shared how miserable an experience it was. The greedy gleam in the eyes of the med students was the motivation I needed, I guess, because by 5pm my delivery was complete.
Don't stop talking about this! It's something every woman needs to hear, regardless of whether she's even contemplating motherhood.
(Nod to The Hathor Legacy; I'm subscribing to your blog.)

ACW, help a foreigner out here - were you obligated to have those med students in there? I'm a far bit away from having children myself, but I'd refuse to let them stay, particularly if they all had the "want-to-see-a-caesar" glint in their eyes.

I was *not* obligated to have them in the room... but I (a) was young (22) and didn't really know (especially in my doped up state) that I could boot them out, (b) was delivering at a teaching hospital (I'd advise everyone to shop around and find one that's *not* affiliated with any university), and (c) didn't have anyone in the room with the experience and ability to advocate for me.
KNOW your rights. BRING your mouthiest friend, and if the doctors complain that the room is too crowded, DEMAND that some of the students leave before you give up the one person you've chosen to speak on your behalf.
I'm all for teaching hospitals, and understand their importance. I still hold a grudge against this particular facility, however, and feel it was highly unprofessional to parade an entire class of students through for a first-time delivery. My particular circumstances were mildly unusual, but I left feeling like I'd been used like an animal for others' entertainment and morbid curiosity.
IF you are able, plan your pregnancy so that you DO NOT deliver at the beginning of a school semester. It has since been brought to my attention that August and January are the worst times to deliver at the university hospital, because it's a new set of students who don't know anything.
Best of luck, and LMK if I can provide any specific info to help in any way.

I cannot relate to this really, I live in the UK and health care is, for now, free...
Never been a fan of unnecessary surgery. But for as long as I can remember, I've never said whether I wanted to have kids or not, saying you don't want to have kids when you are, like, 17, is naive because you don't know how you will feel when you have fully matured. Same applies to saying you will want to have kids. It's like how young girls are brought up to think about their wedding day before they've even discovered what their sexuality is or even had a sexual relatonship.

Thank you for this post (and for your blog, which I discovered last week). I always wonder why healthy women with low-risk pregnancies go to OBs for their primary care. And then I remember that I was very nearly a healthy woman with a low-risk pregnancy going to an OB for my primary care. It was when a friend said that her doctor didn't believe that she was in labor because she wasn't screaming in pain that I started to research care providers (I wasn't pregnant yet, but trying to be). I didn't even know that OBs are surgeons. I didn't know that hospital practice is too often not in line with current research. I could go on and on about everything I didn't know.

As for Leah's comment above ... I'm very curious why the L&D nurse characterizes the women who have birth plans as usually "uneducated."

And I should add that I imagine that access & insurance play a big part in where women get their care. We were willing & able to pay the extra cost for my son's not-fully-covered birth at a freestanding birth center.

[As for Leah’s comment above … I’m very curious why the L&D nurse characterizes the women who have birth plans as usually “uneducated.”]

I agree! I think women who really think through the process of labor and delivery and explore options and pros and cons of various interventions are PARTICULARLY educated. We aren't talking about women rejecting life-saving measures here. We are talking about women doing everything in their power to have safe and normal births that do the least amount of harm to their bodies and babies.

Reading this reminded me of what my doctor's attitude was like during the birth of my daughter. The nurses were great but the doctor... My contractions never regulated, and in between pushes, my doctor looked BORED. I understand she had just come from a c-section to assist me, but she ended up ordering pitocin, which I agreed with, which worked so fast and hard that I ended up tearing and ultimately having an episiotomy because the baby came so fast (from beginning to push to birth, it was less than an hour). I look back now and wonder if a) I wouldn't have torn if we just went with what my body was ready to do and b) I wouldn't have torn if the doctor didn't look so impatient.

Wow, going off of what Krista said, just above...

I needed to process/post this in a place where it would be welcomed and I could finally put it down (It's been swirling around my brain too long in a head-will-explode-soon kind of way). Here is a recent exchange I had, on Facebook, typos included, with two former high school classmates (one who is now pregnant and one who is a labor & delivery nurse, heaven help us):

pregnant one's status: " making dinner, and starting to formulate my "birth plan"...baaahahaha"

unrelated person: "how exciting! I wanted to give birth in water, but they didn't have that option. :("

L&D nurse: "DO NOT make a birth plan!! The nurses will hate you! We pretty much make fun of people who do that. Plus most people who do end up having disasterous things happen, I'm just sayin....."

preggo: "well dont worry, im not getting over anal or anything...just things to think about i guess and ideas..ya know."

nurse: "ok good, you dont want to jinx yourself!!!"

That was back in May, so yesterday I couldn't take it anymore and posted this as a comment:

me: "[One who's a nurse], the comments you made here have troubled me ever since I read them. How sad and disempowering, for you and other hospital workers to "pretty much make fun of people who" want to have a safe, informed birth. I kept telling myself, "Just let it go, it's none of your business," but it is on Facebook after all.
Please read this article: http://thefeministbreeder.com/independent-women-will-be-cut/
Specifically:
“This table [shown in the article] heaps contempt on women whose ideas and preferences for giving birth inconvenience the doctor. Many obstetricians find the table hilariously funny. Isn’t it frightening that the ultimate weapon obstetricians use to punish overly “independent” women is to cut into their bodies, using a surgical procedure (cesarean section) only obstetricians can perform, which completely deprives the women of control over their own bodies?”

It's not the birth plans that "jinx" women (??), it is a systemic oppression, described powerfully here:
http://mamabirth.blogspot.com/2010/06/misogyny-paternalism-and-dice-em-up.html

The "disastrous things" you mentioned are way too often set up (with noble intentions) by the medical establishment."

An unrelated person said "Wow." and then the nurse replied:
"Well first of all I work in laobr and delivery and see these "birth plans" often. Most of the time its very undecuated women trying to make health care chocies for the saftey of theirself and their baby. What we dont understand is if you dont want any healthcare worker to touch you or help you and do the things they need to, then DONT COME TO THE... See More HOSPITAL!!! Have a home birth or go to a birthing center. My job is to make sure that we have a healthy baby and a healty mom and most women who have a birth plan seem to refuse to let us make sure of that. I think you would be surpirsed at how many tragic things can happen in labor and delivery and how many moms or babies I have lost in my carrer, its not a simple processes for everyone and if you have seen any of the horrific things that I have maybe you would change your mind. Not to mention my nursing liecense is on the line with all these women who are making poor deciosns. And another thing most of these women end up with a c/s because they are trying to control every aspect of the situation that they never relax enough to let their cervix to open"

Another person said "Wowza is right" after that. I wanted desperately for that to mean, "Wow, what a ridiculous system that women are put through unnecessarily, so many times" and not, "Wow, who is this chick 'bashing' our friend?" Alas, I have a feeling it was the latter. So I followed up with the nurse by posting this:

Me: "For what it's worth, I'm going to put this out there: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/melissa-bartick/ipeaceful-revolutioni-mot_b_536659.html
It is fascinating and doesn't blame mothers for any of the problems that have more to do with money and systems... Please consider reading it."

And the "Wow" person said, and I quote:

"To each his own, and until you are personally in a situation like that, then you can only go by what others say....and in saying today I saw a unicorn swimming in the ocean."

Finally, the nurse: "I would def have to agree with [the person who made the unicorn comment]! And yes I did read the atricle which only strenghtens my argument, the "birth in the US" is not even close to comparing to what a REAL delivery is like. So like I said UNEDUCATED women making decisions! If people want to make good choices they should perhaps know a little bit about what they are talking about... See More, considering their own life and their newborn babies are on the line, and reading articles online IS NOT sufficient which is why med school and nursing school was invented. Woman can have a voice, yes, but to be calling all the shots NO. I mean would you tell a heart surgeon how to operate on you simply because you read an article about it on-line? Dont think so....."

So....yeah, I would to know what others think of this exchange. :)

Oops, I just noticed there are a couple places in what I posted that still have the "See More..." thing left over from extending a too-long Facebook post; please disregard those!

Nurse makes a classic but inappropriate comparison when she likens childbirth to heart surgery. Childbirth is a normal process that when left alone almost always has a good outcome, especially when medical reasons that preclude vaginal delivery have already excluded that SMALL percentage of women from even attempting a vaginal delivery, and someone medically trained is reasonably available to intervene if there is a complication. In normal childbirth, less is almost always more, and interfering with a labor that is puttering along on its own generally worsens the outcome.

Patients wouldn't interfere with heart surgery or create a "surgery plan" because the procedure is totally out of their realm of expertise and is meant to correct a serious problem rather than manipulate a normal physiologic process. Pushing out a baby is exactly within a woman's area of expertise. It isn't a medical issue at all except in rare cases. So why can't the birth attendant, whether that person is an OB or midwife, hang back and let the mother do what she is designed to do, only to step in if there is an emergency? Does the fact that a few births are emergencies mean that every woman must be treated as if she is about to have an emergency, and why not intervene only if an emergency is arising? No woman is going to refuse emergency intervention or get pissed off that her birth plan is not being followed in an emergency.

I think Nurse would also have trouble explaining why outcomes for mothers and babies are actually better for women delivering under a low intervention midwifery model rather than a high intervention obstetrics model, even when the known high-risk patients are excluded from the groups.

And yet, giving birth to my son in one of the biggest hospitals of a big city was one of the best experiences of my life. They were ready for a c-section if I needed it, but my OB worked with me for HOURS to let me have the vaginal birth that I desperately wanted.

As dated as that chart may seem, I don't think the sentiment behind it has changed. I've taught pre-med students who would talk openly about how much they looked forward to putting women in their place when they got to do OB rounds before going on to lucrative careers curing cancer. At least in their sophomore/junior years of college, medicine was as much about power as healing or helping, and that attitude sealed my decision to deliver only at a hospital that is not a teaching hospital.

That said, this whole thing makes me very glad I was able to find a hospital with a fabulous midwives group to have our baby. They didn't even ask why my husband has a hyphenated name and I don't, but they did ask about our education, and they welcomed our desire for a birth plan and the multiple birthing playlists on an ipod. They didn't ask what we drive, but it is the only place I interviewed where I believed that our score of 130 on this chart wouldn't automatically get us treated like being feminist hippies is a bad thing!

My husband told me that one of his coworker's wives worked at the hospital and they don't like women with birth plans...as if that was going to change my mind about having one.

I told him I really didn't care if they liked it or not,or if they rolled their eyes, etc, but they had better read it and stick to our wishes.

I think that most of the families in my town would meet half of the criteria on that chart, but we still have tons of c-sections! I know I met several them...

Every time I think about my (albeit very fast) hospital birth I think..."next time I will do this and that.." and then I realize that next time I will just do it at home!

For those who were even one bit skeptical about whether or not I could possibly be right about physicians opposing autonomy, this week Kingsdale Obstetrics in Columbus Ohio sent a letter to their patients banning doulas and birth plans. Here's there letter: http://birthingbeautifulideas.com/?p=1922

There you have it. RUN LIKE HELL LADIES!!!!!!!!!

This is a local practice in my area, and a pretty big one (although I am obviously not a client!). One of my closest friends got a "big baby" induction there recently. Luckily, not a Cesarean. I agree that I would run like hell if I got a letter like that from my OB/Gyn!

So I admit, I busted out crying when I read this. I feel the same way and it sounded similar to the passionate rants my husband listens to when I reach the peak of my frustration and need to just yell it out. Thankfully he is a wonderful listener :) It can just be so overwhelming and disheartening to know that not only is this type of *stuff* occurring, but that young women are being fed into it with a smile. I can't say that I am too surprised when I hear information like this, instead I just pack it into my tool belt on my quest to change the system from within. We were just discussing a lot of this in my Women's studies class recently and it was both encouraging and eye opening. Some people really have no idea what it out there that they subject their bodies to with blind faith in their practitioner. I feel comfortable saying all of this since I was on the receiving end of the unwanted scalpel. Keep on spreading the good word :)

first off. I LOVE this post. Thank you for it. I will be sending the link off to several friends so they can enjoy it as well.

My gut reaction to that table was an exasperated eye roll. At what exactly? Not sure. Partly anyone who would come up with something so condescending. Partly at people who do all of those things (I'm somewhat brainwashed too, obviously) partly at myself for falling for it, for being embarassed to bring my birth plan to my dr. and my L&D nurse.

Thank you for pointing out that avoiding the pains of childbirth is NOT necessarily the feminist choice. Labor is not actually our punishment for some indiscretion in the garden of eden. I have never felt MORE powerful or more alive than after bringing my baby into this world and feeling every moment of it.

I don't feel that this post is critizing women who make these choices so much as criticizing those of us who know better and do not help others find their power.

I have to completely agree with you on this one! What could be more feminist than pushing out a baby unmedicated, at home, with other women, then putting that baby to your breast! Honestly, what man can do that?
Take another look at modern medical maternity care, created by men. it has only been in the last few decades that we haven't been drugged out of our minds, literally(!), our vaginas cut and our babies pulled from our bodies via forceps, which, incidentally, were invented by a man. It is time for women to remember that our strength and our power come from our Blood Mysteries, from menarche, to birth, to menopause, no man can do that, all they can do is try to control it by pushing patriarchal ideals that menstruation is dirty, that women are weaker, dumber, that vaginas and breasts are here for mens pleasure, that women can't birth their babies without medical intervention, that menopause needs to be managed with synthetic hormones.
Now don't get me wrong, modern medicine is a wonder and it saves lives. There are those out there that do absolutely need to see a doctor for their pregnancies and by all means should birth in a hospital! Fortunately those that really and truly do are actually few and far between. A majority of the complications that lead to c-sections in healthy women are caused by the very interventions that are supposed to save lives in the first place. Instead of OBs being with women and supporting them through labor and birth, a majority of them see it as just a job and a woman going into labor in the middle of the night is an inconvenience. Why else would we see the majority of c-sections and inductions done during normal business hours?
Thanks for giving a voice to this!

I was lucky enough to give birth at a great hospital that was part of the 'Baby Friendly USA' initiative - the Family Birth Center at CHOMP (Community Hospital of the Monterey Peninsula), and I STILL had an OB (not MY OB - my OB was 'off' that weekend) that strolled in just in time to watch my placenta come out and then stitch me up. The nurses there were amazing, and stayed with me the whole time AND delivered my baby despite the OB trying to tell me (via phone, of course) to hold off on pushing. The good news was that I got to hold my daughter and nurse her right away AND a lactation consultant checked in on us WITHIN AN HOUR of me giving birth - at 1:40AM.

I think the best part of your post (which I agree with completely) is that your 10 min speech opened someones eyes to their power. We just all need to keep giving "10 min speeches" whether online or in person hopefully over time more women will be empowered regarding birth.

Formula use is also patriarchal: "There, there dear, its hard to breastfeed, just let us men take over for you and sell you this wonderful snake oil"

Empowered women surrounded by empowered women breastfeed. They aren't carrying around coolers of formula and worrying about it going bad, nor are they hiding in the house afraid to nurse in public.

Breastfeeding should be easy, empowering, and actually often takes less time than formula feeding if you prepare formula properly.

Wow...just...wow. You hear about doctors and nurses purposely trying to sabotage someones birth plan but to actually see that table... I know there are some good OB's out there, but this condescending, "I know what's best for you and your baby" attitude seems to be so widespread. :/ I could just never be comfortable with an OB. It's like, if you don't sit down, shut up and quietly submit to whatever is easiest for the doctor, it's a personal insult to them somehow.

It is darn miracle I did not have a section!

I added up my score for ONE of my children. It was 55. Thankfully I had a very supportive OB (seriously a doc, who supported my choices) I suppose it helped that his wife was pregnant too.

My first birth was highly managed and very traumatic. Each subsequent birth was less managed and better...

Thank you for this. I live in the Netherlands and the medicalization of birth is nowhere near what it is in the US or England (primary care givers are almost always midwives, unless there's a medical need for an OBGYN; home birth is always the option offered first, you have to pay 400 euros extra for a non-indicated hospital birth; etc.). But, it is becoming more medicalized. And although I am all for women having a choice, something has been bothering me: every time I tell someone I'm having a home birth - especially [young] women who haven't had kids yet - they go "oh, I would so go to the hospital". And I am left speechless - wanting to say more about the woman's body, about natural birth, about all these things but nothing comes out.

This post really hit home why those comments bother me so: it is as if they want to distance themselves completely from the female side of things, as if they're saying "I'll let the men take care of that, i want nothing to do with it!" Of course, I would hope that when they do become pregnant, they'll become more informed than they are now. I know I used to yell all the time that I'd be getting an epidural, and that making women give birth the natural way was old-fashioned and related to the Bible passage about Eve's punishment for offering Adam the apple ;-)

p.s. that website is mothersofchange.com [not my personal blog, which is the one listed in my last comment!!!]

I always thought I was extremely weird for believing cesarean surgeries can be a type of violence against women that is rampant and systematized to the point of being propagated by the very women who are its victims...it reminds me of Memoirs of a Geisha. Thanks for expressing that surgery can be a form of violence towards women. That idea is embedded very deep in my psyche.

Is it okay if I link this post to our birth advocacy website?

Oh I love that book. I want to give it to every pregnant friend (and I do if they express the slightest interest, but feel uncomfortable about 'forcing' it on people for some reason).

I sometimes wonder that if every woman was empowered in her childbirth experience, if every woman experienced birth the way I did (though of course everyone's experience is uniquely their own) then women would surely rule the world.

I was a different and stronger person after giving birth.

We are amazing. We must be a bit terrifying.

You are brilliant for pushing awareness. It just takes one woman telling another who knows and trusts her that birth can be an incredible and wonderful experience to set her on the path to a great birth. That's what happened t me and I've passed it on. You are doing that 100 fold. Keep up the great work!

Thank you so much for writing this post. I used to be a big reader at Feministing, but I found it difficult that while everyone went on and on about the exhaustive nature of what it really means to be pro-choice about abortion, if a story came up about natural birth/homebirth or midwives, many (not all) but many comments bashed midwives and natural birth/homebirth advocacy. (Along with the “well, when I get pregnant, I’m going to ask for a c-section!” type comments.) It was a real disconnect. And it pissed me off because I see both issues on the same spectrum of real, educated choices for women and their bodies, health and families.
And yeah, that table is a pretty sick misogynistic joke.

This is one of the main reasons I can't hang around the "mainstream" feminist sites. Too much birth-bashing.

Could not have said it better myself - and I've tried. Well done - I'm sharing on FB, as you will know :)

I hate patronizing. The worst thing you can do to me is patronize me. And that table is the height of patronizing. It also makes me very glad for awesome midwives.

Ah... good post. A newly married friend of a friend came over to me and DH at the pool and asked who our OB was. We just had our third babv at home. While I know this is not for everyone, we live in a very bad for birth county and I was encouraging her to seek care closer to Baltimore or Washington where there are more choices. She asked me if our midwife made us get a whole bunch of tests... I said NO and that made her happy that everyone does not HAVE to do everything. She is young and doing her research and i'm happy that --for once-- the conversation did not disolve into "I'm getting my epidural ASAP" and "I worship my Doctor, I'll do what ever he says is best". For once!!!!

Whew, I scored a 0.

Is that chart in the book? Is it attributed to someone? Did i ask you this on facebook? (I am getting old.)

My SIL who is a nurse and spent some time in L&D said that when women would come in with their birth plan there'd always be a lot of eyebrows raised & someone would invariably make the joke to start prepping the OR.

I did my clinical at that hospital this past semester - it has a 40+% C/S rate and it plays this little lullaby thingy over the loudspeaker through the hospital whenever a baby is born. (twice for twins, 3x for triplets, etc.) My classmates were AMAZED at how often it played...and I was like, "because they're slicing everyone! We're here btw 9 and 5! How many times do you think it gets played overnight?" and just...nobody got it. NOBODY.

Yes, it's a scan directly from the book, and the original source is listed on the table (look at the bottom.)

Marsden Wagner might argue that your fellow nurses got the joke, they were just showing loyalty to, what he calls, Tribal Obstetrics. This book is an amazing, eye-opening read. Highly recommend it.

Dude, I replied to this like 4 times last night and each time the internet ether ate my words. BUT I WILL PREVAIL, ETHER.

I will def. check out the book. I have to admit that it freaks me out a little bit that Wagner chose an outdated, fictional table from "The Science Humor" magazine and presented it as evidence of a large, medical machine (which I totally believe in, yes) and cited that "many OBs" find it hilarious. I feel like a) there are probably women who *don't* know that it was written tongue-in-cheek and think that it was some sort of internal memo or perhaps a Tuteur Original and b) there's SO MUCH MORE out there from which to choose to make that same point.

Part of me had this epiphany this past year (maybe the moment I was withdrawing from nursing school?) that in order to do the work that I *want* to do in the realm of birth I need to go back to medical school and become an OB. And part of me is terrified of that idea, and the idea of having to live inside that culture and witness what I'd have to witness in order to do the work I want to do.

In the surrounding text of the book, Wagner talks about how he has seen physicians print this table out and hang it on their wall. The table may have been created in 1991, but the physicians' attitude toward women is the same today. I'm sure he's seen many other examples of this type of behavior, but if physicians still have this table hanging on their wall (or came up in the ranks seeing it on their bosses wall) then I think it's a good illustration of where the attitudes came from.