Living with a Pint-Sized Lawyer

Jul 17th 2010

Last week, my mommy BFF noticed the frequency, intensity, and commitment that Jonas displays when arguing with me.  Of course he does the same sort of Yes/No tug-o-war that I think most children at his age do, but his debate skills seem to go far beyond that.  Once my friend pointed out Jonas’s funny (well, funny to her – intensely annoying to me) behavior, I started paying attention to see if other children argued with their moms the way my child argues with me.  I thought this was a preschooler thing, but I’m starting to realize that maybe it’s not.

The thing is, I try not to argue with him.  I see no point in a 32 year old woman arguing with a nearly-4 year old child.  If I say we can’t have any more cookies before dinner, then to me, that’s the end of that discussion.  To him, that is just the beginning.

First, there’s begging.  Then, there’s jumping up and down.  Then, there’s the screaming.  Next comes the negotiating: “Mommy, but if I do x,y,z, THEN can I have more cookies?” And of course, when nothing else works, he’s got persistence on his side.  He will stand in front of me for an hour or more and say “Mommy, you WILL give me cookies.  Right now!  Do you hear me MOMMY!?!?”  (This is what he was doing when my friend commented on his superb debate skills.)  Meanwhile, I go about my business, and fantasize about having one of those agreeable children that I read about on other people’s blogs.

Sometimes, He goes straight for the big guns:  Guilt.

Jonas has mastered the art of what some people call Catholic guilt, even though this is a god-less household.  I think his father’s 13 years of parochial school somehow passed into Jonas’s genetic makeup.  Here’s a list of guilt trips I hear on a daily basis.

But Grandma lets me watch more TV!

But Mommy, if you leave the house, I’ll be lost!

But Mommy, I need to eat food so I can be healthy! (when I refuse the cookies)

But Mommy, I have bad dreams in my bed.  I have good dreams in your bed!

And the list goes on. Every day, he finds a new approach, and I realize that 20 years from now, I’ll be running “Crosley-Corcoran & Sons, Attorneys at Law.”

Now, when he starts trying to wear me down, I try to be proud that my child is so passionate and committed to his views.  Maybe he’ll grow up and become a leader who hounds the present administration into giving us real healthcare. Or maybe he’ll pass federal legislation protecting breastfeeding.  Perhaps he’ll make a billion dollars selling ketchup popsicles to ladies in white gloves.  I don’t know what he’ll end up doing with this skill, but I imagine it will serve him as well as it has served me.

In the meantime, it makes me want to stick my head in the oven.

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Tell me, does your child do this?  And if so, how do you survive the day without shipping them to the nearest unsuspecting relative?

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Deviousintellect 5 pts

Just now seeing this article, and I'm loving the ketchup popsicles comment. It's hilarious!I swear my 2 year old little girl is the same way already! "Gamaw gimme cookie!"

I have a niece and three nephews, aged 2 to 8, and they all argue with this seemingly unique persistence and logic that only children can possess...

Kudos to you for the Tommy Boy reference; it's one of my favorite movies!

So funny! One friend refers to her 4 year old as PRICELINE NEGOTIATOR! I like loveandlogic.com for tips on this stuff, and the 'how to talk so kids will listen and listen so kids will talk' book. If you'd like to read in your copious free time, ha ha.

My brother was like that, too. He would argue the time of day, and find every possible loophole.

He's now a quite successful lawyer.

And the father of almost-10-month-old twins, one of whom (the boy) seems to be just like him.

Of course, the littel guy isn't arguing yet, but in every way that's evident at this age, my mom say that my nephew is just like his daddy, and more so.

This should be interesting to watch. . . .

Oh, yes. My eldest (almost 4) is like this. My two year old baby seems to be a more mellow sort so far.

I especially love it when she uses my own lines on me:

Mommy, I am going to count to five and then you will give me pudding.

Mommy, if you do not give me pudding then I am not going to clear my plate.

Mommy, I am getting very upset with you right now. This is your last opportunity to give me pudding.

Mommy, if you give me pudding, THEN I will eat my peas.

And so on...any brilliant discipline technique I crib from the parenting books gets turned around and directed at me.

Riley is two - so we're not at the arguing stage (yet!) Although I imagine when we do get there she will be a formidable opponent. Her thing at the moment is 'PUH-LEASE!!' with her clasping her hands together. Sometimes I have to look away to resist her.

I just have to say -- LOVE the shirt.

My son does it, too. He's 28 months. This is a conversation I had with him yesterday:
Me: I said no (after saying no and explaining why multiple times).
Him: I said YES!

I don't know if this is normal, or abnormal for an arguer...but my 6 year old has done this since she could talk...At first she was really nice about.

No, no cookies right now.
At 2 - "Okay mom, thanks for considering it."
At 3 - "::sigh:: Okay, I guess I just go play...while my tummy growls."
At 4 - "PLEASEIWANTITIWANTITNOWNOWNOW!"
She is 6.5...and it now goes on for HOURS. I actually took her to therapy over it. The therapist loves her...but thinks I'm a kook!

My little girl comes from a loooooonnnngggg line of adept and impassioned arguers. She will ask "why?" politely and then relentlessly pursue any weakness she perceives in the logic, exploit any negotiation she thinks will counteract my reasons, bring up any and every past scenario with the remotest connection that worked out more favorably for her....and when all else has fails throw herself on the floor with an exasperated howl followed by fake sobs. Finally she wore me down into dusting off the "one argument" rule my parents instituted. You get one chance to change my mind (because sometimes she does have a valid point) any further arguing leads straight to time out.

I love this story! It's so vivid! I used to babysit for a bargaining master. If I said "okay, bedtime," he replied "okay, but first I need two blankets, a drink, and five stories." And then we'd work our way down from there.

About a year later, I realized that he got to stay awake an extra half hour every time, just because it took so long to work down to just one story and then lights out. It was so much more effective than "BUT I DON'T WANNA GO TO BED!" but I'm still embarrassed at how thoroughly he bested me every time without my realizing it.

...and my 3 year old just looked at me after a request to which I had already said "no,"and said "Mommy, you're going to say 'fine'." She must think she has some kind of Jedi mind trick she can use on me! Ha :)

Oh my goodness, this totally hits home. Just the other day I told my 6 year old that she would try to argue with the rain about whether or not it's wet. It IS exhausting, even when you don't let yourself get caught up in arguing back. I keep telling myself that one day her determination will serve her well.

I try really hard not to sweat the small stuff. And I love the book Pinkalicios, with it's refrain of "You get what you get and you don't get upset". And if upset turns into hysteria, there's time-outs in her room.

My kid totally does this. Totally. It's true that some kids are more compliant and some less, but I'm pretty sure on the whole it's pretty normal for kids to argue.

My favourite is when my own daughter makes a nonsensical threat. Like, "If you don't give me more pudding, I won't eat ANY PUDDING AT ALL!" She's argued herself into a corner with that one, since I am more than happy if she eats no pudding. But she thinks she's being super-duper tough, man.

HAA haa - Oh, Jonas has done that too. Just today he said "I don't WANT the chocolate after dinner - I want it NOW!" So I said, if you don't want it after dinner then you don't want it at all, and he replies, "Then I don't want it at all!!! - But I want it NOW!"

They're so confused.

I have a 6-year-old, and it is the same. It is an HOUR over why he should have a blue M&M, or - the latest food battle - a pickle. It is stubbornness at its worst, and I do think every single day about how we just butt heads over this. I have read books and tried to negotiate, acknowledge his requests, come up with agreeable alternatives, encourage quiet time, the list goes on and on... I do have to think that maybe he will grow up to be something wonderful, but probably something OBSESSIVE because that is how his behavior is. Relentless, frustrating, intelligently well-argued, but GEEZ, it really does get so so so old. (Can you tell he is right beside me obsessively asking to play the Wii? It sets me ON EDGE.)
Good luck btw! It's so much cuter when it is someone else's child.

Captain Loophole! I love it.

And MAN, do I relate to the overall conundrum of being stoked about how well a certain characteristic will serve your child later in life, but how MADDENING it is in the present. And Lily hasn't even gotten to the point where she's verbal enough to actually argue (repetitive screams of "PEEEZE!" or "NOOO!" are the extent of her rhetorical skills at the moment).

I'm afraid.

I too have a Captain Loophole, who will ask for things relentlessly. Hours and hours. Usually he will start yelling "I want more choices! You give me more choices! I don't like those choices!" Lather, rinse, repeat. I simply repeat my answer. "I said no, I'm the mom, and that's the way it works." Keeping calm is the hardest part.

I think this will win Most Hilarious Comment of the Month. :)

Yep, I've got one of those....

And his dad commented to *his* mom that I'll engage Levi in debate, and his mom told him, "how do you think he's SUPPOSED to learn to think for himself?"

*My* dad just frequently reminds me that if Levi were a child of average or below average intelligence, I wouldn't have these problems, but do I really want to trade him in now?

So... I take a deep breath, and I explain once again that all the reasoning in the world won't change my answer because I'm the mom, and it's my job to protect and take care of him>

oh my goodness! my 5 year old does the same thing!

Asher, my just turned-3 year old, has amped up his debate skills these days as well. Lately, I get conversations that go like this:
Asher: "Mommy, we need to buy rope to hang from the tree"
Me: "Umm, why?"
Asher: "So I can climb the tree, mommy! So let's get some rope. There's probably some in the closet that's where everything is."
Me: "No, Asher, I don't think we have any rope."
Asher: "Ok, then let's go buy some rope and hang it in the tree. Is that a good iderea (iderea - idea)?"
Me: "Yes, Asher, it is a good idea.

I didn't really love the idea...but his new thing is to ask me if every suggestion he has is a "good iderea" and I never want to tell him his ideas suck. Although I have gotten better at offering alternative ideas that he finds agreeable. And sometimes it ends with Asher telling me "I said yes mommy! You have to!" and me walking away from a crying child.

Ha! Jonas also does that "That's a good idea" stuff too. To him, all of his ideas are good ideas. Oh, the optimism of a child.

My mom used to say the same thing about my brother... and now he is a lawyer. lol