Mominatrix Says: “Consider yourself lucky, you c-section bitches.”

Jan 11th 2010

One of my favorite mommy bloggers recently published a sex advice book for mothers and pregnant moms-to-be called The Mominatrix’s Guide to Sex: A No-Surrender Advice Book for Naughty Moms.

I waited for this book.  I was excited about this book. I ordered it from Amazon in the first week it was published.  I couldn’t wait to devour it, have an expected good chuckle, and praise it all over my site.

Then – I read it.

Let me be clear here: I really like this author.  Kristen Chase helped me a lot in the beginning of my blogging days, and what I’m going to write next pains me a great deal.  I wrote Kristen privately on facebook and asked her to be interviewed on my blog about some of the statements she made in this book, but she’s a busy girl and really wasn’t interested.  So I’m going to have to try on my own to be as fair as I can about a book that made my VBACtivist blood boil.

I thought we had enough mainstream mommy authors giving us really uneducated advice about the supposed magical powers of epidurals and cesareans, but apparently there is room for one more.  I know Mominatrix thought she was being funny and clever when telling pregnant women to “save your cash for more useful items, like an epidural” but as a natural birth advocate, I find that statement highly problematic.  Actually, as a feminist I find that statement highly problematic.  Why must authors assume that their readers cannot handle labor, and suggest they save up for drugs before they even feel the first contraction?  Are we not selling our sisters a little short?

But it’s a flippant book, Gina!  What’s the harm?

Well, I’ve got a nice sized uterine scar on my belly right now thanks in part to a flippant mommy advice book like this one.  When I first found myself pregnant, I was just like the vast majority of pregnant American women who never get truly informed about the birth process, and instead spend their pregnancies watching “A Baby Story” and reading Jenny McCarthy books.  I got my hands on “The Girlfriend’s Guide to Pregnancy” by Vicki Iovine, which told me that Lamaze was useless, as were all other birthing classes, and what I really needed to focus on was how quickly I could get the epidural.

Yeah – I got the epidural.  The epidural that only went down half my body, that caused me uncontrollable shaking, that shut down my labor, that necessitated more pitocin, which put my baby in distress, which then necessitated a nice, traumatic cesarean surgery.  Yep. That epidural. I’m so glad I saved my money for that epidural, instead of a birth class which would have informed me of the potential risks to my epidural decision.

Not everyone has my experience though.  Obviously Mominatrix didn’t.  But far, far too many women DO have that experience, and it is just one of the contributing factors to a major cesarean epidemic in this country.

But Mominatrix doesn’t seem to think that a cesarean is such a bad thing because, according to her, a cesarean means a baby didn’t come through your vagina and wreck it.  She complains that birth causes irreparable damage to the vagina and

“Quite frankly, women who have not had a vaginal birth will probably not experience as much of a change as those who have shot a baby or two out of their vag.  Consider yourselves lucky, you c-section bitches.”

She also says,

“It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out that if you’ve birthed a few seven or eight pounders your vagina will not return to its trim and virginal state without some effort. And even then, it still might be somewhat of a lost cause.”

I would like to let unsuspecting mothers know that I’ve birthed a nearly 10 lb baby, and my vagina is just fine.  Actually, my husband calls it “perfect” (on the internet, even!), and I feel sorry for any woman who’s married to a man who expects his wife’s vagina to look “virginal.”  Marry better, ladies.  I’m sure he doesn’t look the same as you met him either, and you’re not requiring penis surgery over it.

I tell you what really ruined my libido and my self esteem for a really long time were the debilitating, bleeding, excruciating, almost-required-another-surgery-to-fix hemorrhoids I suffered through after my cesarean, which were caused by the way they piled all my intestines back in my body (that’s right, did you know they pull all your insides out of your abdomen during a cesarean?)  Now THAT is sexy.

You know what DOES cause damaged vaginas though? Episiotomies, poor birthing positions (like the flat-on-back position so many ignorant medpros push women into), purple pushing (pushing when told to, instead of when your body wants to), and many other avoidable, outdated obstetric practices.

What I want people to get out of this is the understanding that these birth interventions so flippantly recommended in this book come with real risks, and real consequences that should never be left out of the conversation.  No, you should NOT be getting your birthing advice from a funny, tongue-in-cheek Mommy sex advice book – but that also begs the question why it’s there to begin with.

I can only hope that the women who read those types of problematic statements are also smart enough to pick up a copy of  Birthing from Within and/or Your Best Birth and decide for themselves whether epidurals are something they want to sign up for before they get to the hospital.  I also hope they’ll take a good long look at Michelle Duggar, who’s had more than a dozen babies come through her vagina, and see that Mr. Duggar obviously can’t keep his hands off his wife, therefore birth clearly didn’t ruin her Fun Stuff.

Have you read ? Will you?  What do you think about the statements made?  Talk to me…

**I cannot express this enough, so let me reiterate: I have nothing against Kristen Chase, her blog, or her work.  I hope you (and she) understand that this article was not meant as any personal attack on her, but merely a rebuttal of the problematic statements made in her book.  I encourage you to be respectful in your comments.  Let’s debate the issue and the sentiments, and not the author herself.

UPDATE: I hoped that Mominatrix would see the pain she caused and offer mothers a heartfelt apology, but instead, she went on her radio show and made the typical “you-have-a-healthy-baby-so-get-over-it” comments, which of course discounts the many women who suffer serious physical & emotional trauma from their cesareans, or epidural-complicated births. Stay strong ladies, many of us DO care about your experience. You are not alone.

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JessicaHollisBrown 5 pts

Excellent post. We're not in 100% agreement about everything (who ever is in complete agreement with someone else?), but you're definitely well-spoken, well-read, and passionate.  Aside from that...Thank you, my friend, for bringing up the hemorrhoids thing. I got them first during my first child's birth, probably because my doctor completely ignored my wishes, as well as those of my midwife/doula and husband (we'd tried for a home birth, but I had PIH and my midwife judged me too high-risk to birth at home in the end). Yup, flat on my back, pitocin, an attempted episiotomy (my husband actually physically stopped the doctor from cutting me, after the doctor brushed off their protests). Then, after my twins' C-section six years later, they got worse, and have never gotten better. I'm contemplating surgery, almost nine years later, because it's caused immeasurable pain and suffering, as well as other health problems. It's embarrassing and sad, and literally a pain in the ass. Thank you for mentioning it, because it's something I think many, many moms suffer through silently, because they don't feel comfortable talking about stuff like that.

thedeyonnashow 6 pts

i am a feminist and i don't have children (now) but i really like to seek out information from other feminists and that's how i found this blog. i stand totally in awe of mothers and what they sacrifice. i didn't realize how much unnecessary and potentially harmful things women are told to do to their bodies to have babies. i have never in my life had a problem with breastfeeding. no one asks me to go to the bathroom to have lunch. it's what the body is made for. it's a shame we have allowed men to sexualize our bodies to the point we can't even use them for their created functions without controversy.

CassandraNadeau 7 pts

I'm so glad you wrote this, Gina. I've never seen the blog you mentioned, or heard of Kristen Chase, but I'd probably be feeling really disappointed and sad if I had grown to respect her. I'm really sorry you've had to go through this experience, and I really appreciate your final note about how there ARE some mommies out there who care about our trauma. I spent so many years mourning the births of my preemies, and all I ever got was "as least he's healthy now!" I was even told I was LUCKY to have avoided those last "horrible" weeks of pregnancy (yeah, I'd much rather birth a very sick 30 weeker than do through THAT hell). But I'm not alone, and there are some women out there who understand, and that makes it easier to deal with. Thanks for being you, Gina.

JenniferRedwine 5 pts

I think anyone who belittles the trauma that a C-section or other unwanted intervention cause cause needs to take a class in empathy. Perhaps Nonviolent Communication? I am so sorry that this book caused more pain to you and to so many others. Hopefully there will be more information like yours instead of hers.

caidebug 5 pts

I completely agree with this blog. There is no reason to be so scared of a c-section. I had went in to be induced and only to find out ten hours through labor with no pai meds that the doctors were wrong and my baby was breech. I then had to be put in an emergency c-section. During the c-section I looked at m baby's dad and he had the most awful surprised look on his face. Drugged from the epideral, I said "Are my insides out." He barely shook his head no only to tell me after the fact that yes they were. My doctar actually never told me they were she told me no even six weeks later. I remember the whole month after was horrible pain..i remember waking in the mornings to my baby crying, my boobs hard as rocks, and that horrible pain in my abdomen. I would cry it hurt so bad. But now that I look back I can tell my story smiling and laughing. If I hadn't had a c-section my baby and I could have both died. I do remember feeling jealous of girls that had vaginal births. I felt like I didnt get to have the experience of working hard to get my baby here. But that next month taking care of her with all the pain. Let me know I still had my womenhood. Neway the purpose of this blog was to say don't go out and just assume what you need before the birth is even here. Every birth and every mom is different. I am just fone and healthy two years later. sometimes my scar is tender but that is no biggie at all.

What this blog post did (okay, to be fair, the blog comments), more than anything I've seen so far, was scare me to tears.

I had brain surgery to fix an aneurysm two years ago and am finally healed and healthy enough to be pregnant and expecting our first child.

Because of the surgery and the subsequent skull pain I still have, my (wonderful, life-saving, feminist) doctor and my (long-time) gyno both agree that the pain I would incur from pushing would cause a great deal of distress in labor and having a c-section will be the safest route for me. (Unfortunately, even the skull pain I suffer (when I'm not vigilant about fiber) for bowel movements gives me terrible, terrible headaches.) Both of them are not c-section advocates by any means. This is just the safest route for my baby and me.

So that we're clear, I'm not having this done for vagina vanity. I'm 35 years old. I feel blessed to be alive today, and triply so for being able to conceive! But reading all of these comments, all 100+ of them, talking about the horrifying, traumatic experiences had with c-sections has absolutely broken my heart and now I'm terrified.

SFManz 5 pts

Please don't be scared. I had to have a c-section after 2 days of labor, and although I was pretty upset about it, I had absolutely no issues in recovery. In fact I never even took the pain medication that was prescribed since I was breast feeding. This time around I'm looking forward to a VBAC, even though my Dr. seems a bit concerned about uterine rupture. I've read of so many women doing it successfully that I really want to give it a shot. I know a lot of people have had longer recoveries with c-sections, but in my case I was up and running before the nurses wanted to let me.

GretchenSchonover 5 pts

Hi! I'm not sure how far along you are, if you've had the baby, or if you will even read this.....but

Don't freak out! It sounds like youre doctor's are looking out for your best interests. And if they are scheduling a c-section, and not an emergency c-section, you should not experience any problems, other than normal pain and discomfort the first week. I have 2 children and they were both brought into this world via a scheduled c-section. I have absolutly NO horror stories to provide! If you have any questions your doctor's haven't already answered you, hit me up on facebook. And congratulations!

My sister had to tell my Mom not to look while in the observation window for my first birth by c-section (due to large fibroids and transverse breech) because of the doctors (who had some friendly chat about GOLF while they did the section)taking out all my insides. 4 months after having my baby my back muscles quit on me and I required intensive physio to be able to function. My baby's healthy, but had a horrible time bonding with my babe, breastfeeding (which we eventually got sorted) and suffered from post-partum. It took me a YEAR to feel physically normal. Plus I forever wonder if she was just taken out before she was ready. They scheduled me for the day before my due date, and now I wish I'd at least waited to go into labour.

With my second birth, I suffered from pregnancy induced hypertension and almost didn't get the VBAC I sooooooo wanted. I did it, I tore, but recovering from a tear it took 45 minutes to mend was preferable to the nightmare of healing from a cesarean.

I'm SOOOOO tired of hearing people talk about how they'll go to a section out of fear created by garbage like this. I've had both, healing from a vaginal birth which your body was MADE for is preferable to having your stomach muscles cut, insides taken out and thrown back inside. Seriously people.

But what about those educated mamas who DO get epidurals and have healthy vaginal births? I'm not endorsing epidurals any more than I'd recommend a c-section, but I think this thread and nearly all the comments are skewed significantly pro-natural labour vs c-section not just pro-vag labour vs c-section. I know through misinformation and fear and doctors giving poor advice for the wrong reason that medicated vaginal deliveries have a higher statistical rate of leading to c-section. But I want women to know that being educated about medication is one of the things that is safe to learn about in balance with natural birth and c-sections. Why can't we promote learning about EVERY choice? The birthing classes I took sure covered all the bases. My story? 3 vaginal deliveries, 2 epidurals. Epidurals were with 40 hour labours, induced. One induction was with a 10 day overdue baby - NOT because she was overdue but because I had high-risk issues with very high blood pressure. Second induction was because my placenta stopped working and there were no fluids. In both cases, had I not been very clear c-section was not an option, I may have been pressured into c-sections. As for the epidurals, in spite of the fact that the pain of induction-contractions (1 minute apart for 30 hours) was brutal, it was the EXHAUSTION that got to me. I was ready to quit labour if I could have. Epidurals saved me and my babies from c-section. I held out until I was 5 cm, as that was what I learned in my classes was the safest (but not risk-free) point of no return for epidurals. I DESPISE needles, I have huge fear of them. I knew that if I felt I needed an epidural needle in my back, I really felt I needed it. I did not take it lightly. Following my epidurals, I was able to calm down, get sleep and regroup in time for labour.

I felt pressure when it was time to push and oh yes, I felt pain and the burning ring of fire. My epidurals only managed back pain. They did not remove the knowledge of when it was time to push or the joy/pain of the experience of feeling my babies come to life.

I am fortunate to live in a city with exceptional anaesthesiolists and I am blessed to have a doctor who went to bat for me to avoid c-sections in spite of my high risk situations, who I trusted to keep my babies well while I stuck to my commitment to a vaginal birth.

However, my third baby was breech, head down, breech, head down, repeat. I was tormented thinking that a c-section was going to be my outcome for her. I came to terms with it. Then my doctor turned her and it turned out fine with an 8 hour natural labour. Ideal... but extremely different from my other labours.

I haven't read this book. I do agree that being flip or casual about c-sections is not appropriate in many cases. But as educated women, I think we don't take time to ask the right questions of the right people. Natural birth forums are exceptionally important. But medical intervention is often helpful too. It's about being informed.

Don't opt for c-sections, avoid epidurals if you can, but if you have a problem in birth, know your options to create a healthy baby. It's not about sex lives or vaginal recovery, it's about the miracle of birth.

I'm thrilled for my friends who've had very healthy c-sections and recoveries too. But not once have I thought of trading in my padsicle to deal with my swollen vajayjay for major surgery. I'm happy for my friends who needed a c-section or wouldn't have had healthy babies in this world.

Elective c-sections are dumb. Epidurals before 5 or 6 cm are known to slow down labour (but after often helps). Choices must be made based on the health of the baby and that's it.

LOL! Padsicle!!! Oh the memories...

I too was "mechanically" induced by something called a Foley catheter as oxytocin was contra-indicated due to my previous c-birth. I was five days past my due date and experiencing really high blood pressure. I think I may have made it to 5 cm as well and wonder if the the mechanical induction may have caused my contractions to be more intense as well...

Long story short, I fought the epidural for a long time but eventually took it, the positive side-effect was that it finally lowered my blood pressure and I was able to birth my baby as I wanted (got the c-section docs off my back!). I also got the shakes and lost a lot of feeling but somehow my body felt everything when it was time to push and I was even able to change positions to facilitate babe's exit.

The weird thing was having no sensation in my right thigh for a few months. Very disturbing.

If I had not had an enlightened Chiropractor who offered me a CHOICE in birthing classes, I may have been one of those emergency C Section moms. Instead, I was educated, informed and above all things...EMPOWERED. My first baby was a frank breech baby and was determined to NOT turn, regardless of what I did, from moxibustion, to the Taylor Technique, to standing on my head and taping earphones to my huge belly. She was certain that the very first thing the world would see was her ass, and of course, as an 11 year old, she continues to be an ass, but a delightful one at that. Because I was informed and empowered, I was in full control every step of the way, every decision that was made. She was 18 hours of labor, with a Doula/Monitrice and an Obstetrician, and a stranger at that. In fact, 3 days after she was born, we were at the mall, going for a walk and buying things that had totally slipped my attention, such as a nursing bra!! Baby #2 was a successful VBAC with a Doula/Monitrice and a Nurse Midwife in hospital. Baby #3 was born at home, in a pool in front of a fireplace on a cold wintery night. My dream birth. Had I not had the c section first, I would probably not know just how lucky I was to have the experience.
Is birthing a perfect event? Of course not, but when one woman makes light of the real concerns over the rising rates of c sections, we all need to ensure that the information is out there and not presented as a scare tactic.
I have to say, as a sister "Gaping Vag Birth" mom, my sex life is better having had babies. I know exactly where everything is and just how to move it around.

As always I find the absolute c section hate coming from women who were lucky enough to have a vaginal birth. So for what its worth here is my story. I read every natural child birth book. I took a Bradley class. I wanted a natural birth more than anything. I was in labor with no Meds for 40 hours when it was determined that my daughter was stuck and a c section was the only option. Thanks to that surgery I am alive and my daughter is happy healthy 2year old.

So to the person who wrote "c section should never be" Mia and I are forever thankful that the surgery does indeed exist.

I am all in favor of VBAC and hope to try. I mourned not having a vaginal birth but I know,i did the right thing.

I don't think the article itself is promoting c-section hate...It's definitely an even that requires further healing than just the physical though. I hope you get the VBAC you want and hope that you are able to process all the conflicting feelings that come with having had a c-birth.

This is the first time I've ever read your blog. I've heard of it but never ventured over. I have to say that you ROCK! Thank you for standing up for what's right and true! We need more people like you in the world!!!

Wow.. I just found your blog and think I may love you! I know this is an old post, but I have to put it out there for women who may come on here after reading that book that says that vaginas are irrepairbly damaged. My first child was 9 lbs w/ a 15 in head. I had a 4th deg tear. Yes, 4th deg. It took some time to heal, but all is well. If I can come back from that, women need not fear!

Great post about a very important theme!! If you want to read about my birthing experience without epidural go to my blog and click on nicholas birth story:)
I live in sweden and here we dont do ceceariansfor fun;) xx

I was lucky enough to experience a natural, drug free birth and I can tell you that my vagina is totally fine. It's my libido that I struggle with.

I totally agree with you on this! I wanted to go natural the first time, and I went to a free 'birthing class' that was like "You got knocked up, for Dummies". >:( That didn't help. So when I was finally feeling labor I felt I really couldn't handle it so I got the epidural. Then I was pregnant instantly and I wasn't ready to attempt natural again since I wasn't even ready to be pregnant. I don't have a horror story, though the second epidural didn't really work as well as it could have, it only made my legs numb. C-sections are made to sound so easy and glamorous, but it's BS. Women really don't hear the truth and it's messed up. I agree also about the language. Wtf!?! And how can she comment on something she's NEVER BEEN THROUGH. That irks me most of all. I hate when people do that, stick to what you KNOW.

@Molly, I agree, I feel like I'd want to do natural if I could, but I also don't know if I could handle a third BABY!

My first (only so far) was a hospital transfer from attempted homebirth breech caused cs (and yes I'm still physically and emotionally scarred 10 months later)... As far as the cs saving my womanhood intact..... False statement if I have ever heard one! I ended up having an infection on my uterus incision that wasn't found until 4 months later only bc I kelt telling them something wasnt feeling right. That in addition to the psychological scarring has made it very unpleasant to be with my husband. :( I'm praying for that vbac and will travel out of state to get it but first we must concieve...'and because of all the healing that needs to happen, we are gonna wait on God's timing for our next baby. And I know it's a totally different subject, but the lack of core strength that occurs post cs is astounding!!! And sadly most mothers don't know what they are missing and no OB doctor refers their pt's to physical therapy to retrain those core muscles that they cut and tore during the surgery..... I'm on my band wagon to fix that!

I've got my copy of Birthing from Within I'll be starting (just finished Ida May's Guide to Childbirth) I'm doing my VBA2C in Oct <3 Your c-section experience was mine as well, and what was worse was I was forced into a second by a messed up (now) ex-husband and my mother. Well NO MORE. I'm not going though that pain and anguish again!!!!! thanks for writing the truth! it's so nice to see!

I am a first time mom and I had an epi and I regret it everyday darn day. The doctor was an on call doctor that was a man and checked on me twice and went home the last time said I had till 8pm (this was at 7pm) to push my daughter out or I would have a c section. I blame it on the doctor and the epi. I could not feel anything, no urge to push, could not tell if I was having a contraction or not the nurses had to watch the monitor and feel my stomach when I had to push. My next child I want to go all natural if I can. I consider it a challenge now and I am usually victorious in my challenges. Fingers crossed.

Not sure how old people are here, but I think having any child is hard on your body. After having children vaginally, and doing pelvic floor exercises, you can still have prolapse and that isn't fun or pretty either.

I agree that Vicki Iovine (and others) take a severely casual tone to things like this, probably without thinking; I think she said something in her first book (in regard to scheduling c-sections) that went "if you prefer to maintain the vaginal elasticity of a nineteen-year old . . . "

Please. I've had four babies, through the vag, and after reading this just now when my husband came down I asked him if he thought sex was still good, elasticity-wise. He came over, looked at what I'd been reading and then said, "I don't think I can answer fairly right now, we better test it out tonight to be sure." We've been together for 14 years.

thank you for inviting me over. when I first read your blog name I thought - oh yeah one of those. But after reading some of your blog posts I can see you are a kindred spirit. I am a 60 yr. old doula who had four c-sections and read your posts with tears in my eyes because I have been there. I work with women who are going for VBACS and can't believe what hospitals put them through just so that can have a natural birth.
And for the record - having c-sections did more to destroy my sexual life than probably 8 vag deliveries could have caused.
Keep up the good work.

So I have to add to the comments.

I had a cesarean with our first because he was breech. Although I was a breech baby myself, birthed naturally, I had NO IDEA I could have refused a c/s and my baby could have been birthed FINE (I've since done research). I was not notified until the c/s went horribly wrong that my OB actually used experimental staples on me. I am 5'2" and was 144 lbs when I went into labor. I am small. So the staples backed themselves out of my outside incision within 9 hours of surgery which means they were no longer holding me together! I had a gaping hole the day we left the hospital and SO. MUCH. PAIN.!!! I had to go back and have the wound cleaned and packed each day for a week and then I was taught how to do it myself due to Christmas week. Merry Christmas! PPD? Oh, yeah! Totally due to the c/s whether or not it would have gone "well." My poor husband suffered greatly too. Sex? MAYBE once every 6 weeks or so. The incision did not heal properly at all and I had big, painful adhesions. I could not wear certain jeans, any panties of any kind and sex was painful.

Luckily for us, we got pregnant again fairly fast. Our first was 8 months when we got pregnant. Oh, boy. What a pregnancy! I was MEAN and NASTY! I hated my body post c/s and now I am getting fat (that's how I felt). My hubby and son SUFFERED dearly. We elected for a second UNNECCESSAREAN to repair the extreme physical pain from the first. Our second son was born at 39 weeks, 3 days and he was NOT ready. He was PISSED, first off. Secondly, my dear hubby passed out during the surgery so he was made to leave and not allowed to return. I spent most of my surgery ALONE as well as 2 1/2 hours of recovery because they could not get my body temperature back up. I asked for my husband and my baby repeatedly and I was told they were not allowed to come to me. My husband kept asking for his wife, but was not allowed to see me and had no idea what was going on except he was told my body temperature was not coming back up.

Thankfully, the second c/s repaired the physical pain from the botched first c/s. Bonding went very well with my second baby which is what made me realize I had PPD after our first. No PPD after our second. Am I going to endorse a c/s now that I had a "good" experience? H*** NO! I have now had two horrible experiences in a row with sections. The worst part is the emotional stress and trauma which have been caused by first being used as a lab rat and, secondly, being completely alone after having such a horrible experience.

We're pregnant again! It's been four years since we've been pregnant. I could NOT handle another cesarean and all the doctors in our city tell me NO to a VBA2C. Doctors like to inflate the risks. By inflate, I am talking a blimp-sized inflation in comparison to a teeny soap bubble. Thankfully, there is a family practice doctor in a city an hour away who is allowing me a VBA2C and he does them routinely. He's a dying breed, ladies. He also delivers...BREECH BABIES. We're practicing and planning for a natural birth and we'll have a doula also. I cannot do another c/s. Just can't do it.

Just wanted to say- as a woman who has had painful sex for my entire life- to some extent- due to endometriosis- that post-baby sex (and I vaginally birthed two 8+ pounders first of which had a head circumference of 125%!!!! two pushes each time) is a lot LESS painful for me!!! As is my period, it is as if my uterus now knows what it is supposed to be doing and is much more efficient at it. SO- a c-section would have probably been a disaster for my sex life considering thee scar tissue I already sport in my abdomen.. even getting sliced waaay open for my *emergency episiotomy* has not been much of an issue. (hey- I avoided the emergency c-section they were threatening me with!!!)

Thank you so much for all of your posts. There are a ton of things I'm not very good at, but I fully intend on kicking ass at childbirth....if that is possible. But my husband is a medical student and already caught up in the whole "doctors know best thing". Your blog has already given me the tools I need to convince him that I will be using a midwife and I will be doing everything as naturally as possible when we decide to have children. My husband is a good man, he just needs all the information. Anyway, the way you stand up for women is inspiring.

Also, and this is almost irrelevant but the line "Consider yourselves lucky, you c-section bitches." is offensive on more than one level. I hate the word bitch. I never use it. It means female dog and whenever I hear it applied to women, I cringe. It's so degrading.

This may be extremely unusual but one of the reasons I really wanted a vaginal birth with my first child is so that it would stretch out my vagina. I have an extremely small (or maybe tight? Not sure of the problem) vagina which made pre-baby intercourse with my husband horrendously painful. A hymenectomy helped but it really wasn't fixed until my 8 pound, 10 ounce daughter came down the tunnel and stretched things out nicely. We're still working on the enjoyable sex thing (what with 3 years of pain, it's hard to suddenly get excited about sex) but at least now, it doesn't hurt.

I'll happily stand up and say that vaginal childbirth ruined my lady parts. And, I very very much regret not electing to have a c-section as a result. I had your "ideal" midwife attended home birth over a year ago. No purple pushing, no big baby, no whatever else reportedly increases the chances of having pelvic floor trauma, but I still walked out of it with a severely damaged vagina, and an inability to have sex. Husband can't penetrate me because it's so painful, and yep, this is with a ton of lube, arousal on my part, and all other things being lined up. No, it's not vaginisimus, it's scar tissue from the internal tearing. My vagina farts, is enormous (standing up in a bathtub results in a big drop of water), and I can't use tampons, because they're either too painful, or they fall out after I take a few steps, no matter how plus size jumbo I go. Unfortunately, this little tidbit was never mentioned as even the most remote of possibilities by the rabid natural childbirth community, even though I asked several different midwives if things would change downtown after the birth. This big ole problem, and/or the possibility of it, is something I think women should be aware of before the fact. I thought natural childbirth was the shit and then some, now that I can't even have sex, and I've seen a dozen specialists, spent gobs of money on failed treatment, as well as therapy, spoken to many women with the same or similar problems, I think it's just sad that no one thinks to mention this to women. I would most certainly have scheduled a c-section if I had known this might happen. The natural childbirth "experience" certainly wasn't worth a lifetime of sexual problems, and the inevitable breakdown of my marriage. So, I must agree, those c-section bitches who were lucky enough to escape childbirth with their womanhood still intact, are pretty damn lucky as far as I'm concerned.

I'm sorry that you had a traumatic vaginal birth. There are resources to help women who've suffered all kinds of birth trauma - check out Solace for Mothers.

However, this statement: "So, I must agree, those c-section bitches who were lucky enough to escape childbirth with their womanhood still intact, are pretty damn lucky as far as I’m concerned" - is divisive and untrue. Nobody who has their abdomen sliced in half is "lucky." That's like telling a breast cancer survivor that she's "lucky" to have lost both her breasts in a double mastectomy because you hate that your large breasts are causing terrible back pain. The women who've had this surgery and suffered great consequences including infection, placental abnormalities, and even death, are NOT lucky. Perhaps you can have your elective cesarean next time and THEN decide how a cesarean feels for the rest of us.

I totally agree here. I got an epidural with my first and it didn't kick in until after I had him, but it did plenty of damage. I had a "bubble" come from the tube travel my spinal cord and give me perminite migraines that I'll never be able to do anything about but lay down in the dark. So needless to say my next child will defintely be medicine free like it was intended.

Seriously? A little stretch action on a vagina that CAN (usually duh) be helped back to normal or a scar through oodles of layers of mucsle and tissue that WILL NEVER be normal. I would pay big bucks to have feeling from above my belly button to the top of my pubic bone.

i find the statement about post- delivery vaginas very common, and very offensive! people are so misinformed of so many things! and i am glad that your husband speaks up about the subject, also:) i found that after giving birth, (well, after a long period of healing, but that was just circumstantial) things went much better and were more fun than before!!
always enjoy your posts :)

I just had to say this-

I found Iovine's first year book, and thank 'god' I had educated myself, and have a wonderful NBC/crunchy cousin-in-law. That woman's book was nothing more than nonsense slathered with humor, with a dash of common sense to throw you off. I recently found her toddler book for 10 cents at the Goodwill clearance center, and decided to see if it was just as bad. Hey, it's only a dime, right? Worst dime ever spent. I spent my time alternating between laughing and gagging. I'm still debating tearing up the literary travesties, or using them as firepit kindeling, just to possibly spare another mama the non-mom-sense. I am curious about her pregnancy book, now. Or maybe I'm just looking for another excuse to smack hfr with an epidural. ;)

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As an aside on my stretched vagina monologue: I began doing kegals when I was 4 months pregnant, and have done them (correctly, as per my midwife) since that time (now 11 months PP), with no great improvement. Kegals aren't always the answer, nor the cure all for postpartum stretching. Some times you're just stretched to the max, and can do nothing, aside from vaginal surgery, to fix it.

I'll scream it: Vaginal birth stretched my vagina to an unusable state.. It did *ruin* my vagina, and I sorely regret listening to all feminist-y midwifes (mine included) who went on and on about the beauty and power of the vagina, to expand, and come back together, good as new. SO NOT TRUE!!! I had a nice, unmedicated, midwife attended birth at home, no tearing, no stitches needed. My baby weighed a little over 7 pounds. As I sit her, 11 months later, with a vagina that won't hold on to even the biggest of tampons, nor allow for any friction during sex (my husband is the most well-endowed man I've ever been with BTW), I'm saddened to see that the choice of having a planned C-section, catches so much criticism and shit. If I could do it over with the knowledge I have now, I would schedule a C-section, and never look back. Perhaps for some women, a vaginal birth leaves no permanent stretching, and that's great. For me, it did a real number on my vagina, my sex life, and my self esteem.

I hope that you do some research on cesarean surgery before you schedule your next one. Cesareans aren't the "easy" way out. It's major abdominal surgery, and if you'd like to see how a hole in your abdomen can be worse than vaginal tearing, just read some of the above comments. A uterine scar can create life long reproductive health complications for women. Your vagina may be torn up now, but at least that doesn't create an increased risk of maternal and fetal death in your future pregnancies the way a uterine scar does.

This is a tough one. Personally, I attended all the birthing classes and had every intention of at least trying natural childbirth. I knew that I had options but didn't want to make decisions based on someone else's perception of my pain tolerance. Instead, I had a breech baby and after much thought and a few tears, I decided that a scheduled c-section would be best for me and my baby.

It's a personal choice and personal decision. And therein lies the problem. It's funny to laugh about things. But at what cost? Have we lost our sensitivities or have our sensitivities gone over the top? My personal choice is to use humor at my own expense. Nobody else's. Trust me. I've got plenty of material to keep me going.

Okay, I've been wanting to say something for quite some time. Just because I chose to receive an epidural for both of my labors, does that make me less of a woman or something? Does that mean I didn't read or educate myself? I hope you don't think so.

Not everyone has the strong desire for a med-free birth. Do I think it would have been awesome if I could have done it? Sure. In fact, I would go as far as to say that maybe I should have gone for the gold last time. Especially since I made it to 7 cm without any help and the epidural didn't end up working because low and behold, my baby was posterior! But still, I hope you don't discount every woman who doesn't have a med-free birth. Because after my two birth stories, I still feel like a warrior!

But I do think med-free mamas are amazing! I love reading their stories! And I agree that the misinformation out there is crazy!

I had two epidurals, so obviously I don't insist that all women have to go natural. I just think it's hugely important for women to KNOW their options, otherwise they don't have any. Just because a woman chooses an epidural doesn't mean it's always going to work, either, just as in your experience. It just proves my point that we need to research our options for coping in other ways - ESPECIALLY when the epidural fails. I was a doula for a birth where the mom got the epi, and yet suffered through 20 hours of PAINFUL labor anyway. They aren't a cure-all, and nobody should be saying they are.

HELL NO, they're not a cure all. Totally feelin that statement. And I will admit I was completely unprepared when the epidural failed.

The labor nurses were great. I was stuck at an 8 because the baby was posterior and they had me do something called the "lillian" position where I turned over on my stomach! I think I looked at them like they had two heads because how in the hell was I supposed to lie on my big pregnant belly? But guess what? It worked! I got to 10 and it was the most painful thing I have ever gone through in my life. That is why I say I wish I hadn't gotten the epidural. It dropped my blood pressure to 56 when I got it and I almost passed out. BUT, I knew the dangers when I signed up for the epidural. I thought the risk was worth it.

I have been thinking to myself (which is crazy and no one would ever believe I could do it because I'm a self-proclaimed wimp) that I would TOTALLY try med-free if I ever had #3. But that's easy to say knowing my husband doesn't want a #3 like ever ;)

This is exactly why I (and many doulas) tell their clients they MUST take a natural childbirth prep course EVEN if they plan to have the epidural. You can't learn how to cope DURING labor if the epi fails, but if you already have that knowledge and don't need it, then no harm done. There is NO reason not to learn other ways to cope with the pain.

I, personally, am doing a homebirth this time thanks in large part to what miserable epidural experiences I had. I figure nothing can be worse than painful laboring while stuck in a bed. At least if I'm not numb, I can move around. And THAT, by the way, is the secret of natural birth. Being able to move freely and labor however you want is how most natural birthers are able to cope. I wish I could find the article, but I once read a piece called "The Epidural is for Putting up with the Hospital - Not the Labor." So true... so true.

It makes me sad that so many women have had such horrible experiences with epidurals. I, on the other hand, vomited constantly and uncontrollably (as in projectile) during labor UNTIL I had an epidural. I felt like I had food poisoning for the first several hours until I got the epidural.

And yes, I had to have a c-section for various reasons, mostly due to my son's head being very large, being in the wrong position, and because of my pre-eclampsia. My son's vitals were not good, which constituted the emergency c-section. I didn't fear labor before I had my son - I was very well-informed of what I was about to go through. And I admit I was very fortunate to have a very easy recovery after my c-section. I shudder to think how I would have felt after vomiting for hours and THEN having to push a baby with an enormous head out of my vagina.

That said, I don't think any woman should be made to think that she cannot physically handle labor and that she must have pain medications. Plenty of women have wonderful drug-free labors with few or no complications. But for many of us, labor isn't a beautiful, powerful, unpleasant-but-manageable experience. Many of us have to choose between a c-section and a healthy baby or a very frightening alternative. C-section and pain med women aren't lucky, weak, posh, uneducated, or many of the other terrible things we've been accused of being. We've done what we've needed to do to deliver our babies as safely as possible.

I must say, giving birth did wonders for my vagina haha. I am a much more excitable, sex loving being because I pushed a baby out. I was really upset the week before I gave birth when everything cahnged down there and that there would be permanent changes from giving birth. Now, I am a happy happy woman because my vagina went through permanent changes.

I must admit that as a first-time mother-to-be who had only the "mainstream" information and horror stories to go by, I was honestly terrified of giving birth vaginally. My OB actually had the nerve to give me a lecture (one of several) about how much weight I was gaining during the pregnancy (for the record, I only gained a total of 33lbs), during which he basically told me I was making my baby too fat and that a 9 or 10 lb baby would destroy my vagina forever AND I'd never be able to lose all that weight post-partum and I didn't want that, did I? I actually found myself hoping there'd be a reason I'd have to have a c-section!

Luckily for me and my son, no such reason came along. I got to go into labor naturally a week and a half before my "due date". And somehow, I just felt completely confident in myself and my body to do it unassisted when the time came...so I did. I semi-accidentally managed to have an unmedicated vaginal hospital birth.

Unfortunately, my vagina was "ruined". Sort of. My son never rotated his head fully, so I pushed him out diagonally while lying flat on my back as instructed AND he came out fast into the hands of an OB who had a very hands-off approach, so perineal massage/counter-pressure were apparently out of the question. I tore pretty badly and the delivering OB did a crappy job (in my opinion--I'm no medical professional and I certainly couldn't see what he was doing) stitching me up. It took a long time for things to stop hurting down there during normal activities like sitting, standing, and walking. Six weeks? HAHAHAHA...I'm not convinced 6 weeks is a reasonable amount of recovery time for anyone, but that's another topic in itself.

When things were healed "enough" that I felt comfortable being intimate with my husband again, it was unpleasant for me. Not blindingly painful, but not worth doing again by any means. Finally, at 8 months post-partum, things were back to normal function-wise (though I can feel the scar tissue, and it seems that things have shape-shifted a tad). My husband, however, told me that nothing ever felt any different for him. So, apparently my vagina has not been utterly destroyed from the trauma it endured.

I've never felt that vaginal birth itself was the cause of this destruction. Had I been allowed to sit or squat during delivery, had I had a helping hand applying some counter-pressure or administering some perineal massage while I was pushing, had my baby's head not come out diagonally, had he come out more slowly...things might have been different.

With my first child, I planned to have an unmedicated hospital birth. I even walked in there as a 19yr old unwed mother with a birth plan! I was set! The nurse whispered in my ear when I was 6cm dilated, "You'll be screaming for an epidural in a few minutes. This is your last chance."

I got it and the only thing that had me screaming was the results. I pushed for 3 hours, had my daughter ripped/ vac-extracted from my body causing tearing inside and out. I had 27 stitches to repair the damage. Yes, 27 stitches from a vaginal birth. I was incontinent of bowel and bladder for weeks and sat a donut for 5 months. I was 19 at the time. Humiliated, traumatized, and terrified to have sex. Having an epidural did wonders for my sex life, but I guess I just wasn't lucky enough to be a c-section bitch. I did end up with debilitating post-partum depression, though, that nearly wrecked my entire life... so I wasn't worried about my vagina.

Fast forward to a couple of years later, I am a happily married woman having my second child (with an okay sex life, thanks to deployments). I labored at home for 9 hours before deciding that it was time to take my daughter to play at a friend's house and head to the hospital. I walked in 7cm dilated and told the nurses that I was NOT having any interventions whatsoever unless my life or my son's life absolutely depended on it. He was born 30 minutes after I was admitted. I pushed three times (without being yelled at to "PUSH!!!!!") and my water broke. With the fourth push, our precious boy was born. I walked out of the hospital with my bundle of joy 16 hours later and felt EMPOWERED! I delivered my son without drugs! Even better, I didn't tear. I felt the contractions. I nursed him successfully afterwords, which was something I was unable to do after my daughter was born thanks to the sheer agony I was in as a result of having my vagina put back together. The best part? My sex life is better than ever! Holy g-spot, batman! And is my husband ever thrilled. His wife pushed a total of 15lbs of baby out of her "vag" in a span of 3 years and she was better.than.ever. Hooda thunk it?!

We are planning a third child and I will have that baby at home, attended my a midwife and a doula- if all goes well and all is healthy!

I encourage women to seriously consider ALL medical interventions- especially episiotomies, epidurals, and the like. I also beg you first time pregnant moms out there to read, read, read- authors that offer you encouragement instead of fear, that tell you your body is STRONG, powerful, and you were made to do this!

My natural delivery was not agony. My vagina is in darn good shape, thank you very much!

Just encountered your blog- thanks for your candor and humour!

C-section (not by choice, but grateful):
I planned an unmedicated birth and had a doula and midwife. However, when my water broke, only the outer bag broke, so had to be induced after 48 hours of non-labor. My midwife administered cervidil at 3 pm and by 9 pm, I was in heavy labor.

I also chose to not take any pain medication, so labored until 9 cm unmedicated. Laboring unmedicated was challenging and uncomfortable, but manageable.

(Side note:
It is so disturbing to me that women in the U.S. are made to feel afraid of the birth experience. Our bodies are amazing and were designed to handle the stress of labor.)

Since I was being intermittently monitored and it became clear that my baby was under distress. After a serious discussion with my midwife, who informed me that my baby had to be delivered surgically or would be in serious danger, I consented to an emergency c-section.

Mominatrix would not be so flippant about a C-section if she had to have an emergency procedure. I had bruises on my legs and arms because the orderlies had to basically throw me on a gurney and rush me to a surgical room from my labor room.

There was not enough time to administer an epidural, so I had to be given general anesthesia which is always more invasive and difficult to recover from. I woke up 3 hours after the procedure and and had to be given a heavy duty morphine drip, and then passed out again. I wasn't able to meet my baby for 6 hours until after the surgery because I was so drugged from the surgery.

My husband and I are thankful for the c-section because my daughter had been wrapped in her umbilical cord from her neck to her feet. Every time she tried to descend into the birth canal, she was cutting off her blood supply, hence the drops in heart beat rate . If I had not had the C-section, she may not have been born alive.

I'm pretty certain that the anesthesia from the c-section impeded my ability to establish a good milk supply and breastfeeding relationship. I struggled for 5 months with supply and have exclusively pumped for my baby for the last 8 months to provide her with breast milk.

C-sections are serious surgical procedures. The recovery is not easy. Yes, I'm glad that I have a healthy baby, but if there was anyway that I could avoid having a C-section again, I would.

well crap!? what the fuck happened to MY vagina after 2 vaginal births? it looks like something exploded down there! it all feels different and i don't have sex as much anymore *granted I'm 8 weeks post partum*
it may change...but my vagina is still damn ugly.