Nestle Doesn’t Care if You Back Out of BlogHer

Jun 01st 2010

Well, here we go again. Another BlogHer conference steeped in drama, with bloggers pitted against each other – this time before the tables have even been set.

Memorial Day morning, I woke up to an email from a lactivist letting me know that this year’s BlogHer ’10 conference is sponsored by Nestle. Rubbing the sleep out of my eyes, I couldn’t believe this was true. I’ve looked at the BlogHer 10 sponsor page on 100 occasions, and never spotted that.   So, I asked Google.  If this is true, surely people are talking about it, and Google would know.  Nope, Google came up empty handed, which is very unlike him.

Then, I began to think this was a rumor.  How could this be?  BlogHer is so highly aware of their publishers’ boycott of Nestle products, that it created an Opt-Out program to allow boycotters to remove Nestle and other Non-WHO Code compliant brands from the BlogHer ads running on their blogs.  That decision came largely as result of the work of one particularly vocal blogger.  That blogger was then invited to speak – presumably on these very issues – at the BlogHer 10 conference.

But then, my lactivist friend sent me a link where MomSpark posed the following question: “Stouffer’s Sponsors BlogHer 2010. Will They Be Judged?”

Okay, so it’s true.  BlogHer has just quietly revealed that Stouffer’s – owned by Nestle – is now sponsoring a part of the event; along with 32 other brand sponsors that do not have unethical corporate practices.

But Amy at MomSpark wants to know if those of us who boycott Nestle will be backing out of the conference, and if not, then how we justify that decision.  She’s specifically asking because she attended the now infamous “Nestle Family” blogger event last fall, where she was criticized by some for participating in the event.  Amy has never been a Nestle boycotter, so her decision to go was unencumbered by any moral dilemma.  Nestle invited her.  She went.  They paid for her entire trip, gave her sacks of candy, and she couldn’t have been happier with the experience.

Given that, I don’t totally understand the parallel that some people are drawing between the BlogHer event and the Nestle Family event.  Of course, for those who’d prefer to keep smart, green bloggers OUT of the BlogHer event, I can see how drawing some fuzzy line between the two might work to their benefit. In my opinion, I have no control over BlogHer deciding to partner with Nestle months after my ticket was purchased.  My attendance of the event was sealed long before they announced this sponsorship. I don’t see how it’s even remotely similar to attending an actual Nestle facility on their dime.

Let me attempt to illustrate the differences I see:

Nestle Family BlogHer 2010
Nestle directly invites Bloggers Yes No
Nestle is Known to Sponsor This Event At the Time the Bloggers Agree to Go Yes No
Nestle Pays for Blogger Plane Fare/Travel Expenses Yes No
Nestle Pays for Blogger’s Hotel Rooms Yes No
Bloggers Visit Nestle Property Yes No
Bloggers Lose Money on Plane Fare/Hotel/Private Sponsorship Dollars That Have Already Been Incurred by Deciding Not to Go No Yes
Bloggers Are Welcomed to Attend the Conference On Behalf of Other Brand Sponsors That Directly (or indirectly) Actively Work Against Nestle Practices No Yes

Given the information here, I don’t see many similarities between a blogger’s decision to attend the Nestle Family event, or the BlogHer 10 event.  Even as a boycotter of Nestle, there is no way in the world I can avoid Nestle 100% of the time.  It’s simply not possible.  I’d never be able to leave the house again.

What if Stouffers was advertising on the side of the CTA busses – should I stop taking public transportation?  What if I was taking that bus to a rally against Nestle – am I still a hypocrite?  In my mind, one has nothing to do with the other.

Some of us have chosen to take the high road here and keep our commitments, regardless of the brands that BlogHer chooses to take their money from.  I think it’s up to BlogHer to reconcile the choices they’ve made.

I, for one, believe on impacting change from the inside, rather than the outside.  Some people consider me a hypocrite for trying to become an attorney in such a patriarchal system, but I’m the type of person who likes to storm the castle.  I will go inside The Matrix.  I will infiltrate The System and let my presence show that responsible voices have just as much place at this event as those without any moral dilemmas.

The fact of the matter is, Nestle wouldn’t care one bit if I chose not to attend BlogHer ’10.  But I can think of two very legitimate and worthwhile brands that WOULD care, and I’m not letting them down.  Instead, I will be there, with bells on.  The Man is not going to shut me out of a conference that could amplify my voice and spread awareness for my cause.  Allowing them to keep voices like mine out of the party is, to me, totally counterproductive.

This is the world we’re living in, and if we want to change it, we have to start from the inside out.  Some people will insist that I’m putting my desire to attend BlogHer ahead of my distaste for Nestle, and to those people I say -

Nestle is contributing a few dollars to helping outspoken, intelligent, and influential women come together to amplify their message, be change agents, and ultimately undermine everything Nestle stands for.  The Joke is On Nestle – not on me.

And I think that’s just about all I have to say about that.

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I think the situation us Nestle event attendees faced and the one facing boycotters attending a Nestle-sponsored BlogHer are two very different situations. Even after looking at your chart, one thing is missing. The boycott. We never boycotted or protested Nestle, so what difference does it make that our flight was paid for or that we knew we were going to Nestle?

I understand your concerns and worries, honestly, I do. You have already committed to going to BlogHer and have invested money. BlogHer is an awesome conference for bloggers. It rocks. I understand why you want to be there.

Like I told Annie, it is actually refreshing to see that the boycott isn't taking over every aspect of a boycotter's life. (although I do know there are some boycotters who are choosing to stay home now) Saying that, I think the part that can be damaging is what your (and other Nestle boycotter) followers think, especially if the boycotter was very active last September during the Nestle event.

My post was not intended to discourage a Nestle boycotter from going to the conference, but to instead bring up the point and debate from there. This discussions has been very interesting and has showed me a different side to a few (not all) that opposed my decision to attend the Nestle event last year. I'm seeing real people with real emotions making really tough decisions. I think it would take a lot of guts to change one's mind about going to BlogHer at this point, and I respect those Nestle boycotters who have chosen to do so. Not easy and truly shows their convictions.

I think no matter how you dissect the reasons for going to an event that is paid in part by a company that you are so passionately against, it will never add up. Yes, the sponsor was added late in the game, but there is still nine weeks until the event. Yes, it sucks to back out, both financially and emotionally, but I can't imagine it not leaving a bad taste in your mouth. (if you do feel that passionately about Nestle)
.-= Amy´s last blog ..e.l.f. Makeup Party + Giveaway =-.

I would likely make the same decision. And that is all I have to say about that.

Oh, except for I am totally jealous and I hope you have a GREAT time. :)
.-= Amber´s last blog ..What I Learned in May 2010 =-.

damn straight. this is not a black and white world. kudos to you for treading the grey areas.
.-= Jen´s last blog ..This is when it gets hard =-.

This is a tough one! How about making a little "pamphlet" in bullet form stating why you don't support Nestle and what they stand for. You could do it 3 up on an 8 1/2 by 11 sheet in black and have them cut (can you tell I worked at a print shop) and have them available at your table. I tried to put myself in your shoes and honestly I am not sure what I would do. I see the points on both side of this. The pamphlet seems like a nice compromise to me and done the way I suggested wouldn't cost very much at all. Just a thought.
.-= Kelly Klassen´s last blog ..Learning Disabilities =-.

I don't like hearing the word hypocrite. I had a college professor who liked to say instead that people are inconsistent, that sometimes their actions don't match their espoused values or the things they've already said. I think that's just human nature. In complicated situations like this one, everybody has their own reasons for choosing the decisions they've made. As an outsider to this whole thing I guess I'm just amazed by the amount of judgement that I'm seeing. Every post and comment that I've read makes it clear that everyone involved has thought about this a lot and their decisions aren't being made lghtly.

On a different note, will BlogHer address this issue or ignore it? I think they have a lot to answer for . . .
.-= St. Louis Smart Mama´s last blog ..The Nestle Wars (Or Why I Buy My Chocolate Chips at Trader Joe's) =-.

I am well removed from the BlogHer situation being in Australia and sadly I can't teleport to NYC. But I will say I think in a situation like this (indirect sponsorship), I think going through with a boycott only allows the Nestle company to hijack BlogHer. What's next? Nestle pay taxes and taxes contribute to public services - should you boycott those as well?

Obviously, everyone will do what they think is right and that's different for everyone. But if it was me, I wouldn't be letting Nestle dictate how I live my life or allowing them to limit my opportunities either.
.-= Zoey @ Good Goog´s last blog ..Ambivalence and the Impulsive Planner =-.

I totally get the boycotters boycotting this based on the Nestle presence. On the other hand it serves contemplating whether the message will be more clear if the voices are present, or absent? Absent - maybe there was a wave of the flu - spots are paid - shrug. Present - people can wear shirts, carry signs, and basically embarrass BlogHer for their faux pas in sponsorship. Use the ticket, spend their money, and hurt them where it counts when the Stouffers signs are not noticed above the anti Nestle message flowing through the room. Educate the other bloggers on the boycott, and the importance. Make the Nestle Family yahoos know that they are they ones that will be ploughed under...

Have fun :)

I completely agree with you and Annie. This seems like a situation where you stand to lose much, much more by not going, than Nestle does. I also don't see why you should have to answer to anyone else about the choices you make.
.-= Marcy´s last blog ..Why I love our Tripp Trapp =-.

I'm just hoping that everyone contemplating tossing a ticket reads this first. I actually want to meet/listen to most of the women who would boycott Nestle (BlogHer??).

I am definitely someone that would lose something by missing their presence at the conference. And I'm positive that Nestle doesn't give a shit about that.

I get the activism, I get the "let's show them en masse!" attitude, I get it. But I also want to "GET" everything I want out of BlogHer, including meeting activist bloggers whom I admire. It's like cutting off the nose to spite the face.

Having said that, I hope this is the only drama surrounding BlogHer this year.
.-= Jessica - This is Worthwhile´s last blog ..Sweetest creature that ever lived =-.

I read Amy's (MomSpark)post and left her a short comment. Like you, I don't think you can compare the two things. I bought my ticket many months ago, and Nestle (Stouffer's) being one of the sponsors isn't going to make me not go to BlogHer.

Going there doesn't all of a sudden makes this a trip to everything Nestle, it's about education for me and meeting other bloggers. I'm not going to party much -- I'm only there on Saturday -- you'll see me attending the panels, etc. But as an avid/outspoken/fearless breastfeeding advocate and Nestle boycotter, I will make a point to have nothing to do with them in whatever capacity they are there. I think I'm going to wear my "Yes, I'm STILL breastfeeding!" T-shirt. Or is my "I make milk. What is your superpower?" T-shirt more fitting? What do you think?

I'm very disappointed that the BlogHer people would even consider a Nestle/Stouffer sponsorship. Nestle, of all companies? Why would you want to stir up THAT again and be associated with the previous Nestle Family/blogger mess? It's such a bad business decision. And it will make me think about going to future BlogHer conferences now that I know that they would partner with Nestle.

Best,
Dagmar
Dagmar's momsense
.-= Dagmar Bleasdale´s last blog ..Sheep Shearing and Sweatpants Instead of Blogging =-.

Just on another side note to this, something that is burning my biscuits about all of this.

There are some bloggers out here working for good in other aspects of advocacy and activism, which is not directly impacted by the Nestle boycott. And some of us also weren't able to purchase a BlogHer ticket before they were sold out. Unfortunately for us that couldn't run out and make the choice over feeding our children or a conference, we are not royally screwed.

The people who are boycotting are throwing away their tickets, not selling them, and being selfish for those who would like to go, but now have had their chance taken by these people.

Just sayin'... I am po'ed for the night now.
.-= Danielle´s last blog ..Why Aren’t Women Choosing Natural Childbirth? =-.

Selfish? Seriously?
.-= Jake Aryeh Marcus´s last blog ..Goodbye Henry Granju =-.

Danielle has a lot to offer the birth advocacy world, and keeping her voice out of the conference is serving only one cause.

Thanks Gina.
When it comes to the work I do, and the advocacy blogging I do, we all know what it comes down to for me. Birth, VBAC, and making a change in our seriously broken maternity care system.

Saying one cause is more important than another, or excluding a person because their cause isn't good enough just sucks.

You would think some people would want more good done, even if it is on a different level instead of shutting the door in the faces of other activists.

Oh well, nothing I can do about it but continue to look for a ticket.
.-= Danielle´s last blog ..Why Aren’t Women Choosing Natural Childbirth? =-.

So not only will you not boycott but no one else should either? Wow.
.-= vegas710´s last blog ..Coping Mechanisms-I haz dem =-.

No Vegas, that is not what was said at all.
.-= Danielle´s last blog ..Why Aren’t Women Choosing Natural Childbirth? =-.

"Keeping her voice out of the conference is serving only one cause"
That sounds to me like a scolding of those who choose to boycott and not sell their tickets.
.-= vegas710´s last blog ..Coping Mechanisms-I haz dem =-.

I never judged anyone for going to Nestle (I assume you're lumping me with some other people who criticized you - but I was NOT involved in that twitter drama.) I DO have a problem with some people acting like there is absolutely no reason to boycott Nestle, or put down those of us who do. Nestle is cited as one of the four most boycotted corporations in the world.

I don't understand the statement "you judge other people for not boycotting Nestle while insisting that no one should judge you for not boycotting Blogher". BlogHer is NOT selling infant formula to dying families, cutting down rainforests, or using child labor. Going to Nestle is not the same thing as going to BlogHer, and I fail to see how the two even compare.

And for the record, I have no interest in "defending" any of this - as you can see I don't think I'm doing anything wrong - but I was asked a million questions about it and HAD to make some sort of a statement to not leave people hanging. If nobody cared what I was doing, I probably never would have brought it up.
.-= TheFeministBreeder´s last blog ..Saturday Nurse-In at Frederick MD Mall After Security Harasses Nursing Mother =-.

@vegas710 - it's her ticket, she can do whatever she wants with it. However, if it were my ticket, and I knew that a birth activist wanted it so they could go and spread their own message, I'd give it to her in a heartbeat. That's just the type of person I am.

I don't have an opinion either way really. I think it's good that you want to go and I respect Jake for boycotting. What I don't like is the idea that it was wrong for the Nestle bloggers but okay for you. It's not hypocrisy, it's a double-standard. but it smells like a double standard to me.
.-= vegas710´s last blog ..Coping Mechanisms-I haz dem =-.

I'm not comprehending what "it" means. What exactly is "wrong for the Nestle bloggers but okay for you"? Are you saying it was wrong for the Nestle bloggers to visit Nestle headquarters, and would be okay for me? That's certainly not the case. I don't believe there is an "it" here. There are two totally separate and non-comparable situations - apples and oranges. I think some people are trying to compare them to let themselves off the hook and point a finger, but the fact is, they are not the same. Saying they are doesn't make it true.

Now, if Nestle invited me - a lactivist and WHO code advocate - to belly up to their candy bar in exchange for air fare and hotel, I never would have accepted that invitation.

However, I didn't "accept" anything from Nestle to attend BlogHer. My ticket was bought and paid for long before the sponsor hopped on board. I have to now accept the fact that I have already invested dollars and a contract into me going, and no matter who jumps on board, that cannot negate the financial and contractual responsibilities I already have.

Ok, I guess it boils down to... do you judge other people for not boycotting Nestle while insisting that no one should judge you for not boycotting Blogher?
Like I said before, I like your blog, I like you and your readers. I just wonder if you are judging people by who they boycott.
.-= vegas710´s last blog ..Coping Mechanisms-I haz dem =-.

PRECISESLY how I see things. Yes!

And, I'm just going to say it, I feel like *some* of the Nestle bloggers are using this a a great opportunity to try to punish other bloggers who they felt criticized them. I don't think they care what your ethical stance is. That's just my opinion (and it's not a blanket statement for all the Nestle bloggers).
.-= Jill @BabyRabies´s last blog ..Formally Announcing My 2010 Blogher Sponsor =-.

Jill - I feel exactly the same way: like some of those NestleFamily bloggers are using this detail to try to stick it to the nestle boycotters (I, btw, was never involved in that twitter drama - unusual for me, I know!)

I personally don't feel like this has much to do with me, except BlogHer putting all of us in a really bad position, and causing friends to go at each other on Facebook. Even as grown ass women, we still let stupid things bring us down.

Me either, and I'm not feeling a personal conflict, even though I do my best to avoid Nestle products now (that was actually brought on by what I learned during all that Twitter drama). I just think it's crap that Blogher even allowed this to happen. I mean, come on. Of ALL the sponsors that they had to know would cause contreversy. Are they really that hard up for money? I would really like to hear something directly from them addressing their stance on this and what they have to say to all the bloggers they've compromised like this.
.-= Jill @BabyRabies´s last blog ..Formally Announcing My 2010 Blogher Sponsor =-.

Yeah, anyone who has a ticket, and is no longer going, I am still looking for a ticket, desperately!! LOL
.-= Danielle´s last blog ..Why Aren’t Women Choosing Natural Childbirth? =-.

I bet you can find 'em cheap now! Talk to Jake - looks like she's got one!

I'm not selling it. That would obviously defeat the purpose of my boycotting.
.-= Jake Aryeh Marcus´s last blog ..Goodbye Henry Granju =-.

Yes! Some of my friends aren't going, which I completely respect & believe will raise awareness amongst other BlogHer goers as well, but I would also be the type to go and disseminate the infos and represent the boycott. If I had the money for hotel i'd probably buy some tickets off some of the cancelers now!

I'm disappointed that BlogHer has accepted Nestle's sponsorship and I also respect you and Annie choosing to still attend. Like I commented over at her post--I think the transparency you are offering on the subject is what is really important. You are keeping your eyes wide open.

And yeah, screw the Fuck Nestle shirt and wear your sponsors proud!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I so psyched you landed such awesome sponsorships!
.-= hillary´s last blog ..hillaryboucher: The kids are effectively full from lunch and chilled out listening to The Magic Tree House Audio Books. #happy =-.

Right on! Before I even got to the last line I was already thinking to myself "Why complain about a company footing the bill in order that someone can rally against them? They may be sponsers of the event, but not of you, so you can work against them at the event all you want... Thanks nestle for helping make this possible"...

Anyway, WELL SAID is my point. :)

Excellent examples of the substantial differences in events, and in the levels of boycotting. If people want to understand that they will--everyone at core understands that there are points along a spectrum. I know very well the value of working within systems that don't match my politics, and have been able to make public policy change on different causes because of that. I am surrounded by activists who know how to do this--many are gay, and in fact my entire adult life has a long discussion about ethics, accountability to values, and making peace with unfriendly situations as a person who doesn't even have civil rights in my own damn country. In fact, activists are more rigorous on these issues with ourselves and each other than antagonists or academics ever could be. At some point you stop intellectualizing and you act to the best of your thinking and ability, knowing a whole spectrum within your movement is acting at other levels in support of you. There is not one right way to be an activist or advocate, there just isn't, and anyone who doesn't understand this is either a hard core radical (props), hard core opponent or apologist, or is simply being obtuse -- perhaps intentionally, perhaps for reasons that serve them. That gameplaying obtuseness, that's where I lose my patience. I really appreciate your good attention to sorting out some of the confusions and wholly respect your decision.

Deb, I totally agree with you here. But I was under the impression that the whole issue with the #NestleFamily thing was that people took a hard line with them. I remember specifically a blogger who is one of my readers who went to that event, who was criticized, who had asked questions about Nestle products and who was not given any credit for doing so. Given she could not be considered a radical by any means, but let's be honest, they aren't going to be inviting any radicals to that kind of an event. My point being -- these people took a hardline with the Nestle Family people, and now they're asking for a grey area response. And in my mind, that's a no go. I'm all for working within the system with politics, because I think it is FAR MORE effective. But I think these people made their beds and have to be judged by what they did to others.

Now, if I'm incorrect, and my perception of how they handled the Nestle Family people is not in keeping with historical reality, that's fine. But I don't think you get to change the rules because now the shoes on the other foot and you can see that you were being a dick to people before. Go ahead and change the rules, go to the conference, but people are going to call you a hypocrite, because bottom line: that's what you are, pragmatist or not.
.-= ABDPBT´s last blog ..The Self-Appointed Empress Has No Clothes Because They Are Still In Her Kenmore Dryer, Which We Still Are Not Sure If She Got For Free Or Bought Herself =-.

Let me start by saying that I was not involved in Nestle Family twitter debate - I caught wind of it toward the end, and the only response I ever had was to a few people (who probably weren't even conference attendees) saying that formula is fine so "who cares?" That was the only sentiment I wrote about.

However, from what I saw, there were "radicals" on both sides of the debate. There were a FEW (and I really mean two, three TOPS) doing name-calling and bullying on BOTH sides (pro and against Nestle.) In the middle were a ton of people having a reasonable conversation about real issues that matter. Of course, anyone who felt bullied during the Nestle family debate is going to use ANY excuse to turn things around on activists. However, while nothing excuses the bullying that may have went on, those bullies make convenient scapegoats for anyone who doesn't want to see the truth. There IS a spectrum to protest: visiting Nestle on their dime, and attending a conference sponsored by 80 corporations, just ONE being Nestle, are at two opposite ends of the spectrum. Like I said, I'll never get away from Nestle no matter how hard I try, and I will not let that corporation run my life. I don't buy Nestle, and work my butt off to support breastfeeding mothers so they have less cause to buy Nestle formula, and that is my contribution. I also think it's a bad idea for all activists to give up their tickets to people who don't care a bit about the Nestle boycott - if we all did that, there would be ZERO responsible activist representation in the room, and Nestle wins. Not a very calculated move if you ask me.

FWIW...I went back and did a search for my comments at the time and it is clear that I did not take any hard line or black in white stance or bully or attack any attendees.

I haven't researched every person involved but I do remember Annie's participation and also do not recall her as a bully.

There are others who are choosing not to go to BlogHer. I would not characterize them as bullies, either, but their own opinions about how to deal with Nestle have led them to that conclusion that it is best not to go.

I don't really know who the "bullies" were as they mostly seem to have not used the hashtag in their "attacks" (I believe that these existed but since I haven't seen every tweet directed at a participant without the hashtag, I don't know the details) and I have no idea whether they planned to go to BlogHer or are still going.
.-= Candace´s last blog ..The BlogHer & Nestle / Stouffers / Butterfinger Sponsorship Controversy =-.

I never used the term "bully," and I don't think it's appropriate. I know all too well that there are members of this community that take any kind of questioning or criticism as bullying. I definitely agree that there's a difference between going to an event sponsored and put on by Nestle and going to an event where Nestle is one of many sponsors, of course.

However.

Here, we have somebody who is choosing to speak at that conference, aligning themselves with the organization putting on that conference, who has chosen (not just this time, but many times through the ad network) to align themselves with Nestle and countless other crappy companies that are objectionable to members of the community it purports to represent. That is the larger issue, in my mind. Nestle is old hat, and harder to avoid, and at the point where you really do have to say, "I cannot let it run my life."

But BlogHer, it's a company that is what? Five years old? And it's supposed to be representative of a community? Why does it take sponsorship from companies that are repugnant to such a large subsection of said community? Are we supposed to believe no other sponsors were available? Or did they just not care?

@ABDPBT (had to start the reply thread over)

I totally agree about that last part. I mean, if little ol' me could get two ethical and worthwhile brands to sponsor me, then how hard is it for a massive corp. like BlogHer to get those same types of ethical sponsors?

But like you said, the company is only 5 years old and I think there are some growing pains. Maybe this will be a lesson for next year on the types of sponsors they should think about aligning themselves (or rather, the types of sponsors they're forcing their bloggers to align themselves) with. I think the best any of us can do is take our own wonderful sponsors to the conference to show that good brands WILL pay to be there.

I hope you're right, I really do. But I'm very skeptical. I think they are taking whoever comes through the door and that they don't care about what affect it has.

Maybe things will change after this. I hope, at the very least, that the more vocal members of the community will start holding them accountable for the choices they make with regard to brands that they find objectionable. Personally, I find most of the brands to be interchangeable and have never been much of an activist on that front, so it's never been my cause exactly. But I do find it very telling that they would do this over the objections of the community, and that *is* something that I would take on as a cause, even if rallying boycotts against corporate America has never been something I've bothered with.

Blast. What *e*ffect it has. Duh.

If you want to put another positive spin on it, there were a lot of comments on MomSpark's post from women saying "I don't even know WHY people don't like Nestle! I LOVE their (insert product here)" This sponsorship and the resulting complaints are drawing a lot of critical eyes in Nestle's direction - eyes that may never have considered these issues before. Hopefully, your and Annie's and many other blogger's outspoken criticism now and in August brings more attention to the boycott/protests.
.-= Suzanne´s last blog ..I was doing better when all he ate was milk =-.

Nestle cares if conferences will no longer allow them to be present. Boycotting is not just about Nestle. As things stand, I am boycotting the BlogHer conference so that BlogHer knows those who would attend care enough about Nestle to boycott this conference. BlogHer needs to hear that accepting Nestle sponsorship was not okay.

I think I do fairly well boycotting Nestle products and I leave the house quite a lot. Public transportation boycotts have happened and have been successful. They have a proud history in fact so if you should find Nestle sponsoring your public transport, boycott is an option.

How many years to people say that boycotting South African products and investment would never happen and would never end apartheid?

Gina, I get you feel obliged to go. I don't get creating an argument that it doesn't matter if the rest of us don't.
.-= Jake Aryeh Marcus´s last blog ..Goodbye Henry Granju =-.

If I thought that approach would have any impact at all, I'd say so. But I don't think it does. And I also don't see the point in forcing fellow bloggers choose between the cause the the conference. It's divisive, counter-productive, and in my mind, won't make any change anyway.

I think that each blogger should handle this the way she sees fit, and at the end of they day, we'll see what created the biggest impact. Truthfully, if Annie - a SPEAKER - isn't changing her plans, then the rest of us changing our plans isn't going to matter. BlogHer already has my money - what exactly is a boycott going to do? They don't need me there to keep the conference going. Speakers though? Yep - they need speakers!
.-= TheFeministBreeder´s last blog ..Nestle Doesn’t Care if You Back Out of BlogHer =-.

BlogHer is making people choose between the cause and the conference. I don't think it is fair to accuse me of doing that. You SAY that each blogger should deal with it as she sees fit and yet you are critical of the way I have chosen to deal with it. So which is it?
.-= Jake Aryeh Marcus´s last blog ..Goodbye Henry Granju =-.

I've never criticized anyone for the way they're handling it. It seems all the criticism is coming in the direction of the bloggers who won't let this stop them from attending.

I'm just saying that I don't think skipping the conference, and trying to make everyone else who's going feel shamed about it, is going to have the impact that some are looking for. It's your choice not to be associated with the event. It's my choice to keep my ticket. I just wish some people would leave this decision up to the woman herself.

Hey, I love your blog but you are saying to Jake exactly what no one would say to the "Nestle bloggers". That it was okay for them to go, get free stuff and ask Nestle the tough questions. Those things didn't matter to the anti-Nestle folks. Like it or not, Nestle is in part paying for your attendance. If speaking up didn't matter for those bloggers, how does it matter here?

Speaking up WOULD have mattered for those bloggers if they had chosen to do that. But they didn't. They didn't accept that ticket with the intention to ask Nestle tough questions, and as far as anybody knows, they didn't ask a single tough question.

HOWEVER - just two weeks after that debacle, I was invited to visit the GlaxoSmithKline vaccination production facility. Many readers are vehemently anti-vax, and I have issues with them myself.

BUT - I decided to accept that invitation, and I proceeded to sit in GSK headquarters asking so many tough questions that it made every other person in the room squirm in their chair. That's how I handle things. You can read about that here: http://thefeministbreeder.com/the-big-hairy-vaccin...

Thanks @vegas710, that is pretty much what I am sayin'.
.-= Jake Aryeh Marcus´s last blog ..Goodbye Henry Granju =-.

Be careful with the "no one". My personal engagement, which I believe was done respectfully, was with the people who put themselves out there to defend Nestle against Nestle-protests. If someone was just tweeting about the event, I didn't say anything to them at all. If someone tweeted about the protests or the topics I cared deeply about, I responded.

I think that there are some people who can be consistent with their statements and values and still attend, even if they were critical of that event and the way it was handled because a MestleFamily event is very different from two companies having a low-level sponsorship at the conference.

However, if someone observes a strict boycott and says that others should do the same, that boycott should extend to sponsored events.

Jake's point is well made...the message is to BlogHer and hopefully they do care if people back out and tell them why they are backing out. Of course BlogHer will quickly fill those spaces but I think it still does send a clear message. Now, if multiple speakers and sponsors backed out...that would be a big message.

At the same time, I do think that Annie's position is fair as well. The whole point of her panel relates back to this issue. She has a real opportunity to talk about something important to her and the community and hopefully the world.

I think I said several times during the twitter thing that I felt that bloggers could bring concerns to Nestle (although I doubted there would be any straight answers) and remain true to their beliefs but that this event really was not set up right for it. Also, someone who learned of the issues and the boycott two days before was not really equipped to bring the issue to Nestle. Frankly, I don't think I would be equipped to do so even now without weeks of preparation.

As to your point about swag. If I go to help my co-founder man the booth (my organization is a sponsor), I will not be accepting any Nestle or subsidiary swag. I don't think anyone here will. The other swag (most of which I will probably donate) is funded by other companies--not a penny by Nestle--and it isn't the reason I am going. It isn't really the swag that is at issue here (or even the portion of the ticket price subsidized...though I will donate that portion anyway to either an anti-slavery or a pro-breastfeeding charity) as it is my enjoyment of a conference hosted by an organization that has accepted Nestle-owned brand sponsorship of said conference.
.-= Candace´s last blog ..Yarn Easter Egg Ornament =-.

I can be careful with the "no one", I couldn't possibly have read all the tweets. But you should also be careful with the "they didn't" because that's just not true. They posted video of themselves asking the tough questions and putting the executives on the spot.
Nestle is helping to pay for BlogHer. You are choosing to go and make your statement. Many of those Nestle bloggers did the same and they were shown no mercy that I saw and your original post shows that.
.-= vegas710´s last blog ..Coping Mechanisms-I haz dem =-.

I don't think I said, "they didn't"? You say "your original post" so I think that you are confusing the owner of this blog with me? We tweeted a bit during the firestorm and I don't think at the time you thought I showed "no mercy". We had a polite conversation and I have visited your blog a few times since to check out your posts.

You also don't know *I* am choosing to go--although I probably am. So far two people are, two people are not, a few others are considering it. Again, I think you are conflating all the people who posted *anything* negative about Nestle during the event.

As to your other points...yes, the NestleFamily bloggers were willing to act as go-betweens, which was nice of them. However, these questions have been posed to Nestle before and received the same non-answers. Those who were there, with one exception I know of who actually did not tweet at all to my knowledge using the hashtag during the event, didn't really know enough about the concerns to have follow-up questions--they merely relayed the answers back. And those who I saw relay the answers back did so without analysis. Not that, again, I think that anyone who just heard of the issues with Nestle two days before would be able to analyze the answers. That's not a critique of them or their intelligence. Going head-to-head in a debate or discussion with corporate executives on the subject of their corporate practices would require preparation even for a seasoned investigative journalist.

Finally, comparing a NestleFamily event to subsidiary sponsorship of BlogHer is apples and oranges. Of course it is all along a spectrum and everyone has a right to draw their own line. I have never said otherwise. My problem is with Nestle and, to the extent I saw this happen, people who made slavery and child labor jokes. To a lesser extent I have concerns about a certain naivete about how corporations and government work. Essentially, to paraphrase, I saw many people asserting that if the company did these things, the government would shut them down. I don't see anything rude or hypocritical about voicing disagreement with that idea.

As I've said many times during this, I'm a capitalist. I'm probably more conservative than the other "activists" and even most of the attendees. I was attacked as a "Communist, America-hater, hater, jealous" and more personal and nastier terms as well. But I don't lay that on the people who didn't do it. That's all I'm asking in return.
.-= Candace´s last blog ..Yarn Easter Egg Ornament =-.