Things I Would Say to the Hospital Staff If I Saw Them Today…

Nov 29th 2011

I can’t help it, I hold grudges. It’s just my personality to seethe over things when I feel like I’ve been dumped on, and it just stews inside my bones, boiling under the surface for months, weeks, years, decades… until I find a way to resolve my anger.

I have a lot of unresolved rage over things that happened in my first two birth experiences. My first was an induction-turned-unnecessary cesarean, and my second was a hard, hard, hard-fought VBAC that nearly resulted in a second unnecessary cesarean about a dozen times before my labor finally finished.

Having my VBAC, and my then my Home VBAC, ultimately healed the way I felt about my body after those traumatic births. It was empowering and liberating. But it didn’t shake the anger over the way I was treated in the hospital because I know so many other women are experiencing the same mistreatment every day, and in some weird ways it makes it feel like it’s still happening to me.

In both of my first two births, there were some things that the hospital staff did that I may never forget, and certainly have not yet forgiven. And I’m not alone here, either. Jessie Peters of Roanoke Birth Services, a doula and midwife in training says,

“I believe that we as women never forget how we felt, and were made to feel during the births of our children, and that the way we are treated during this vulnerable time impacts our future.”

Many highly trained birth and psychology professionals agree that birth imprints memories on us in a way that can’t be shaken, which can be especially hard to process if they are negative feelings. But I’m going to try to process them how, in hopes that it will relieve some of the internalized anger that nags at me. I also hope that if labor & delivery professionals stumble upon this, it will make them rethink the little things they’re doing that will forever impact how a woman remembers her birth experience.

Bloated beyond recognition after my unwanted and traumatic cesarean.

Here’s what I’d say to some of those hospital workers if I could see them today…

To the nurse who insisted that she had to start Pitocin just because she had also “accidentally” broken my water:

NO. NO NO NO NO NO NO NO. Get the EFF away from me with that Pitocin or there will be hell to pay. That Pitocin is going to hyperstimulate my uterus, put my baby in distress, and ultimately start me on a cascade of risky interventions that will lead to a traumatic surgery that will scar my insides, literally and figuratively, for the rest of my life. PUT IT DOWN AND BACK AWAY! And don’t you DARE try to act like I’m a silly moron for questioning the things you’re putting in my veins.

To the resident who kept tossing my hospital gown back over my slimy belly full of ultrasound gel after you took your hourly unnecessary look at my baby:

Oh. My. God. Have you ever had your stomach covered in ultrasound glue, and then put clothes on over it? Come here and let me put that sticky crap all over your abdomen, and let’s see how much you like your shirt sitting on top of it. It’s incredibly uncomfortable! Where did you get your bedside manners? The back of a truck? Wipe that shit OFF before you tug my gown back down over my stomach. I’m laying strapped to a hospital bed with wires hanging off every limb. I do not need one more thing to make me uncomfortable, for crying out loud.

To the med student whose face I had never seen until he kept knocking my mirror out of the way as I was desperately trying to watch my VBAC baby’s head crowning:

Dude, I will NEVER EVER forget your face, or the violence I felt toward you as you were ruining my shot to see my vagina doing its job for the first time. It was INCREDIBLY important for me to see that – to experience that – after what I had been through the first time, and you stole it from me. I’m not sure I’ll ever get over the feeling of wanting to kick you in the face while I was strapped on my back, being shouted at to Purple Push. Your job as a med student is to watch and learn – not imprint your face in the mother’s brain because you’re royally screwing up her pushing experience.

To the nurse who asked if I really, really, really wanted my baby circumcised:

NO. I totally don’t! I just didn’t realize it at the time. That’s not your fault – that’s mine. But it needs to be on this list because it’s something I wish I’d said to hospital staff. I spent so much time freaking out over my first pregnancy, I didn’t research anything about babies. And I spent so much time worrying about getting my VBAC, I just carried on doing the same to my second son. I’ve come to terms with it, but it will weigh on me until my sons are old enough to let me know how they feel about that.

To my OB who told me homebirth was for morons and that every woman who attempts it always transfers into his ER, and who laughed at me when I said I’d started doing my own research:

Ultimately I think I know more about normal birth than you ever will. It makes me sad that your patients aren’t getting information and expert care. But thanks for the not-totally-ugly cesarean scar. I know now that you had a whole lot of practice doing them.

I think I feel a little better now. And maybe I can refer back to this bit of catharsis any time I start seething again.

Do you have any unresolved feelings toward your prior maternity care providers? Let it out, sister. Perhaps we can heal together.

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Dsteinbeck 5 pts

I am so very sorry to hear all these sad and scary stories. just say no. Just go to a qualified midwife - interview as many as you need to until you find one you like, no, until you find one you love. That is the answer. No more hospital births unless they have birthing tubs, midwives on staff, and promise to let you direct your labor and not attach you to a bunch stuff that looks like it belongs to the dark ages. My love to all of you and to your babies. You need to be cared for, not treated like a medical emergency.

 

KellyReed1 5 pts

 Dsteinbeck I agree with you totally, but unfortunately, even hospitals with birthing tubs won't allow a VBAC to even attempt labor or god forbid delivery in one in my state (MD). I went through 7 hospitals, 3 birth centers complete with midwives and one midwifery office with hospital privileges before I finally found an option over an hour and a half away from me in Virginia for water birth, even though I had a WVBAC in 2002! It's really pathetic that birth has become this process that both doctors and women seem to fear, rather than a normal bodily function. I've had to sit through constant lecturing about rupture, complications, etc as though I'm not intelligent or educated enough after 3 children to understand that risks are present in all women, but that doesn't mean I don't have a choice. Sad..

JaniceM2012 5 pts

Hi!  I find your story fascinating.  It's very strange that with all of the strides in medicine, the medical industry still can't figure out how to avoid doing unnecessary csecs!  

 

My 1st baby - an emergency csec after Pitocen is 28 years old.  My 2nd baby - a totally natural VBAC is 22 years old.  Don't you think things would have changed since 22+ years ago?  I guess when it comes to csecs, things don't change.

 

I never felt like I need the csec.  Felt like the doctor knew I was double insured - by my job AND my husband's job (remember, this was back in the old days - duplicated health insurance was not rare - AT ALL!)

 

I felt like he wanted to do the csec on his lunch hour and get back to seeing patients asap, without missing a step.  

 

I can still remember the witch OB resident who walked into my room - looked like someone had just told her a funny joke and said that my baby's heartbeat wasn't coming back up fast enough after a contraction.

 

I learned later that it could have been a malfunctioning monitor.  They could have done the scalp test to confirm it, rather than possibly doing an unnecessary csec.  

 

I did go to Dr. CSEC when my baby was about three.  I asked him about a possible vbac.  He said, and I quote "You're too small, your next baby will be bigger, you get to pick the day."  It's been 25 years and I still remember that!

 

Few more years passed and I found another very supportive VBAC doctor.  Bottom line:  I DID IT!

I wasn't too small, my next baby was smaller and I didn't choose the day!  

 

Years later, I heard one of his nurses say that the CSEC doctor LOVED to do surgeries.  Great.

 

I had an extremely rough time.  I had post-partum depression.  I remember calling the CSEC doctor's office

frequently, over little things.  Looking back, I honestly think that I needed and was asking for help, which 

I never did get from him or his staff.

 

I went to a women's fair and stopped to talk to the hospital birth care reps and they said they don't even do

VBACs anymore.  I was shocked!  THIS IS PROGRESS???  Butchering pregnant women is what is happening when the hospital doesn't even allow them!  (Translation:  MORE $$$ for the doctor AND the hospital!!!)  

 

I realize that most OBs just do the best they can do.  Maybe most don't do unnecessary surgeries.

Maybe not.  

 

How on earth can women protect themselves from the non-CSEC promoting OBs?  I don't know!

 

YOU ARE NOT ALONE!  Been there, done that!  Best Wishes to ALL!  

 

 

 

 

KellyReed1 5 pts

OMG I could write my own blog on this topic!! I guess I should condense what I would say since 2 of my 3 births had experiences that made me want to drive a truck into the living room of each of the delivering OB's and hospital staff. 

- To the OB who used scare tactics during my first pregnancy to force me into induction, keep me tethered to a bed for 12 hours in excruciating pain without food or drink, break my water and promptly give me an internal exam to ensure higher risk of infection, convince me that an epidural would help things progress and finally call me on the room's phone (!!!) to tell me time was up, I was taking too long and she'd have to go in and "take" my baby before again scaring me into an unnecessary c-section  - SUCK A FAT ONE BITCH. 

- to the hospital that I used for that birth - how dare you let an incompetent, lazy horror of a doctor dictate procedures you KNOW are detrimental to healthy, natural child birth.

- to the hospital that "allowed" me to "try" a VBAC nine years after my first totally natural water VBAC, just because you are hosting my birth doesn't mean you control it. Just because some women need monitoring, IV's, constant internal exams, and a laundry list of other useless and often harmful interventions -  doesn't mean they are beneficial for all women. Keeping a woman flat on her back for monitoring for 7 hours and allowing no change in position or mobility whatsoever is irresponsible and borders on torture, if I hadn't allowed pain meds I would have given up and let a second C-section take place, again for no reason. I'm glad I was able to finally get him out, but ya know what? The meds that made me feel loopy and disconnected made it impossible for me to express that forcing me onto my back and having a team of nursing staff HOLD ME LEGS AT MY EARS was not the way I needed to deliver my baby. Thank God I only suffered minor tearing and didn't go nuts after I finally recovered - a 6 foot tall woman who has been abused during labor is a dangerous thing!!

- to all the hospitals and birth centers who turned me away for this third VBAC, fourth baby - EFF YOU ALL. No, I'm not going to suffer the same crap repeatedly because you want to avoid lawsuits. No, I'm not going to let you force me to medicalize my birth because there is a .1% risk in uterine rupture in VBACs which is only slightly higher than the risk in unscarred uteri. No wonder this state (Maryland) has such a huge C-section rate, repeat C-section rate and wonderful midwives who have to hide from the law and only get referrals from word of mouth. 

 

I feel better now. 

katsherlock 5 pts

I would tell the hospital staff that

*they needed to lay off their Pitocin drip,

*that lying on my back on a bed did not help me manage my (increased due to induction) pain,

*that when I said that the epidural didn't work that I was not imagining things and that the damn thing didn't work!

*that perhaps they should have chosen just one or two of the entire staff of the maternity ward to help me with breastfeeding,

and finally

*next time, when they decide to put my daughter on formula two hours after her birth, not to outright lie to me that she needed to have formula because I had no milk. No I didn't have milk and that was because not many women have milk that soon after birth.

Also I'd tell them that I'll be seeing them soon, and I will be a force to be reckoned with.

leetancredi 5 pts

I've been reading a few if your posts over the last couple of days, and I am genuinely shocked by the way labouring women are treated in American hospitals. I am Australian, and I am sure many Australian women have traumatic birthing experiences, but I would hope this is not the norm. My own experience was fantastic. I had planned a home birth, through a hospital-run program (a public hospital). I was seen throughout my pregnancy by one midwife who also attended my birth. When my baby stopped growing inutero, I was told that a hospital induction would be nessesary. I was disappointed, but of course the most important thing to me was my unborn child's wellbeing. My induction was booked, but in the meantime my midwife offered advice to try to bring on labour naturally, including acupuncture. I had a show, but didn't start contracting, so off to the hospital we went, for the induction. My waters were broken, and I was encouraged to walk around the hospital in the hope that this would bring on the labour without the need for drugs. Unfortunately nothing was happening, so I was hooked up to the drip and four hours later my son was born. All through my labour, my midwife offered advice on different positions I could try. Not once was I asked if I wanted an epidural (she knew I was eager to have as natural a birthing experience as possible). All in all it was a fantastic experience. Everyone who attended my birth was incredibly supportive and respectful, and the support I was offered after the birth was second-to-none. Breastfeeding is a breeze when you've had a midwife sit with you at each feed for several days, helping with attachment, and offering advice. I only wish everyone's birthing experience could be so positive. Next time I may again try for a home birth, but I'm not certain.

GretchenSchonover 5 pts

My first baby:

To the doctors that didn't encourage me and instead made me feel like it was a higher risk to try a vag birth for a breech baby: At the time I know you may have thought you were doing the right thing, but I still wonder every day if I could have done it. And insisting I pre-schedule the ceseran b/c of the breech and the off-chance that my gestational diabetes baby was going to be huge at 39 weeks. And did you have to carry on a conversation about the last convention you attended at Sea World while you performed the surgery? I am having a baby here! know this is like tying your shoes for ya'll. but this is a life changing event for me...and you are having a water-cooler conversation?

To some (not all) the nurses, especially our 1st night nurse- HAVE SOME COMPASSION PEOPLE! And WHERE is the LC I need to help me get started with BF? I have never done this, my baby seems to only want to sleep, but she is eating. Don't make me feel bad b/c she keeps falling asleep; I am trying for goodness sake! And I know I told everyone I was BF and did not want to give her anything else. So WHY did you feed her formula without even ASKING me before you did this? And later, did you realize how hard it was for me to lay in the bed watching some stranger feed my baby a bottle of formula or breastmilk? WHY couldn't I do it? Or my husband?

To the LC that did finally come: Thank you- you made me feel so much better!

GretchenSchonover 5 pts

To the anestigoligist (dude, I can't spell that) for the D&C I had in 2010- You are a friggin' moron! I am on the table, crying and when someone asked if I was alright or scared and I said "I don't want to be here", you chimed in with some gem of "Oh, don't worry, it could be worse." Really? WTF?

My 2nd baby:

Thank you to the new female OB at the office that fully supported my VBAC decision 110% ......but not so much to the other guy, who was quick to remind me that I may want to go ahead and schedule a c-section.

To the docs that eventually made me schedule one anyways- Why? Why were you worried that this 2nd GD baby would be too big to try the VBAC? My 1st was not in the least bit a big baby. Couldn't you have at least waited until my due date actually had passed?

GretchenSchonover 5 pts

To the nurse that bundled up my baby after surgery- Did the rules change? Why was my husband not allowed to hold our son? Why did you barely bring him close enough for me to see him, let alone kiss him or hold him? Thanks for robbing us of those precious 1st moments when we met. Bad enough I had to have another c-section, but now I don't get to formally meet my son? Two words- You're fired!

To the baby nurse and other nurses that clearly listened to me that was exclusivly going to BF- Thank you for listening and following my wishes! Made me wonder if the hospital had had some backlash due to other instances such as what I had experienced previously.

Really, all the hospital staff was wonderful the 2nd time around- maybe they all just needed some more training?

The Artful Doula 6 pts

You are one in tune 18 year old. Good for you for everything you said and did. You became a wonderful mother right from the start. I applaud you.

CassandraNadeau 7 pts

Oooooooh yes I do! I'm barely 18, I'm in transition at only 30 weeks. I'm shaking (totally normal, but I thought it was a panic attack at the time), and I'm crying because I am TERRIFIED(not sobbing, just tears rolling down my cheeks). There was no OB on call that weekend, so the idiot GP who happened to be covering the ER got stuck with me. He refused to come up to check me, but the transport team that wanted to fly me to a hospital with a NICU couldn't take me unless they we assured I wasn't going to deliver on board. A mat nurse finally went and "escorted" him up to see me. He looked at me and said "If you can't get yourself under control so I can do this exam I am going to walk right out of this room right now!" WELL GO FOR IT, ASSHOLE! He checked, I was 8 cm's, and he bolted. Luckily they managed to get an OB to come in from out of town to see me before I delivered, and he wouldn't tell me how many stitches my episiotomy needed. He said "I didn't need to know that." This on top of being ignored by the nursing staff who didn't believe I was in labor because the machine was broken, and no one bothered to feel my abdomen for contractions. ARRRRGGG!!!!

cmyersdesigns 5 pts

I have to say that even though my outcome was a fairly positive one, there are many things about my birth experience that make me so angry. Fortunately, none of which have to do with my midwives who surely saved me from a very unnecessary c-section.1. To the nurse who kept throwing out "c-section" because I wasn't "moving fast enough"- go eff yourself. YOU are NOT a doctor. Better still you are not MY doctor. I don't need you putting those horrible fears in my head when I'm already being induced and know all of the possible complications.

2. I was induced because my water broke with absolutely NO signs of labor imminent. They wanted to be sure that I didn't get an infection (this was a real fear as I had known two girls who DID get nasty infections being allowed to labor too long with ruptured membranes). I traded a great hospital for a great midwife practice. To the nurses at my hospital - I was NOT running a fever. The room I was in was burning up. I had to be moved to ANOTHER room to push because it was so hot in there. Because your junk was broken, the hospital made me stay an extra day in the hospital. Eff you.

3. To the very surly nurse who belittled me for wanting my daughter fed in the nursery - eat a dick. I really, really, really do not like you. My daughter and I had not eaten or drank anything in almost 30 hours. SHE WAS HUNGRY!! I tried getting her to nurse, no milk or colostrum AT ALL. I was starving - she had to be. Sure enough, she ate TWO OUNCES in the nursery. Let this be a lesson to hospitals: let women EAT if they are hungry! Your body cannot produce milk if you do not eat/drink enough!

4. To my aftercare nurses - thanks for nothing. I needed help breastfeeding, but because I wasn't poor, uneducated trash like all of the other people you deliver at this hospital, I got nothing. I went home and struggled and struggled and still could never get my daughter to latch on. Now, I have been a slave to my breast pump for 7 months. Oh, what a joy and bonding experience THAT is.

5. To my midwife: THANK YOU SO MUCH! You saved me from a c-section I desperately did not want (or need). You are amazing and I cannot wait to birth with you again!

jessp1997 5 pts

cmyersdesigns It stinks that you had such a bad experience during your child's birth, but If you were so adamant on breastfeeding, why let your child have a bottle in the nursery? There are other ways to provide nutrition to a neonate than a bottle nipple! The reason nurses say to avoid this is because even ONE "bottle" nipple feed can confuse a child. We know that they do not have to work very hard to get the fluid from a bottle. When you then try breastfeeding, which is much more work for the infant, it commonly does not work. The hospital staff should have asked for a lactation specialist to come visit you.

I'm sure you already know this, but the reason they do not let laboring women eat is for your own safety. If something should go wrong and you need immediate sedation and delivery, the risk of aspiration in extremely high! This is such a serious condition. It can cause DEATH! Is it worth risking your life? I have had three children and I know how hungry we get, but I know that I won't starve to death before I get a meal. Also, if the woman was allowed to eat then did aspirate, it's the physician's ass that is liable! I'm sorry, but in my opinion, if it was so bad, stay home next time. Leave the hospital rooms for all of the "poor, uneducated trash" because they probably at least apprecited it!

lkestler 11 pts

jessp1997cmyersdesigns

Jessp1997- Please educate yourself a little more on eating during labor. I have a BS degree in Respiratory Therapy. I worked in the hospital for years on the NICU floor and labor and delivery. I also did tons of rotations through surgery and have intubated countless people in the OR and ER. If someone needs immediate sedation and surgery, it CAN be done and is done all the time on people who have a full stomach. There is very, very little risk of aspiration because the trachea (wind pipe) has a tube down it with a balloon around it so no fluid can get down into the lungs. 60 years ago aspiration was a real concern because they did not intubate people for surgery. They simply used a gas mask to put them to sleep and the trachea was left unprotected. Why do you think a person who has just finished a full steak dinner and then has appendicitis on the way home can be immediately operated on upon arrival at the hospital? Because the airway is protected. It is WRONG to withhold food from a laboring woman. This is an old, old practice that needs to be changed. Mainly the reason they withhold food now is because the nurses don't want to clean up any vomit if the woman happens to get sick during transition. You are not risking your life if you eat during labor. When a woman is in labor, her body is running a marathon and it can not and does not get the nutrition it needs to keep going from an IV filled with sugar water. You might try reading this book by Henci Goer, The Thinking Woman's Guide to Better Birth. I think it will help you understand why things are done the way they are in the hospital and why they need to change.

SelenaV 10 pts

Well said, @lkestler. And, Goer's book is a great resource! The Thinking Woman's Guide to a Better Birth offers factual, non-biased, science-based information in an easy to compare format. Thanks for reminding us.

tweet808 5 pts

To the Dr oncall at the hospital,

When i want to lay on my side to relieve the pain why wont you let me? Just because i did not take the epidural it doesnt mean you can basically tell me to "deal with the pain". When i say i am ready to push.. i know what my body is doing... listen to me! Just because my labor went quicker than what you are used to it doesnt mean i am not ready to push. And because you delayed me pushing now my baby is coming out quick dont threaten me with a C section!! Its bad enough that you used suction and made me push when i wasnt having contractions.

And to my OBGYN, next time maybe you can actually make it to the birth and not assume i will take hours to deliver.

DanieleDenton 8 pts

I have not been able to speak of my birth experiences. I didn't have a c-section with either of my babies, and for that I am forever grateful, but I had to FIGHT with both of them to NOT allow it to happen. More so with my second one because they told me he was breach. I had to make the nurse check him again, because I KNEW he wasn't, and lo and behold, he wasn't. But with my first I practically had to kick the CNM - yes, a CNM, in the face to keep her from doing an epesiotomy. It was a nightmarish experience. I had no support system WHATSOEVER. I wanted a homebirth and I did not get to have one. Maybe the reason I have not really been able to express my feelings about all of it is because I feel no one around me cares.

KristynHewitt 5 pts

DanieleDenton hey sister, for the record I care. I have a pretty abysmal support system myself. The male genetic supplier who is the other half of my soon-to-be-born twins DNA fled the country to deny me any support, and did so with the full support of our friends. So, I not only lost my partner, I lost everyone I thought would be there for me. Even my family, with a few exceptions, left me high and dry. So, I know exactly how you feel. I am fighting for my gentle birth. My midwifery/OB practice just told me today that they will not allow me to birth naturally, or even labor. Cesarean or nothing, so I said so long and thanks for lying to me for months and waiting until the 11th hour, knowing I have no other options besides UC. There is something seriously wrong with the practice of medicine. But I am inspired by all of this, and my past birth trauma. I WILL help other wimmin in every way possible to achieve the births that they want. I will inform, support, and connect wimmin as a doula, midwife and birth advocate. I don't know you, but just know that there is at least one person in the world who honestly cares about you, and I will do what I can for you wherever you are. :)

BFmommy 7 pts

DanieleDenton I know how you feel as well. Everyone says "at least you have a healthy baby." That doesn't help someone who has been through a traumatic experience. I had my husband and a doula at my VBAC and both were quite familiar with my birth plan. However, neither even tried to fight for my intervention-free birth. So now I am left scarred (physically and emotionally) and bitter. I am angry at myself for hiring and trusting the doula and considering leaving my unsupportive husband (although that is a story in itself). I hope with time our wounds will fade. <3

zacksmom 5 pts

Dsteinbeck My baby passed away before my delivery because of the cord around her neck. The doctor who was present during the delivery was well aware of this fact but still insisted on telling me to get angry and push during the delivery.

JoSlamen 7 pts

Oooh, can I join in????

Since the title says "hospital staff", I'll include my hospital post-partum care with my first (whose birth was "complicated" by pre-eclampsia, but sometimes sh*t happens).In '99 to the labour ward nurse who threw up her hands at me because I refused formula for my 3-day-old son I say Thanks for Nothing Sister. But thanks to Sheila Kitzinger for her book "Breastfeeding" which I had read so knew that feeding my baby anything else apart from human milk could endanger the establishment of my supply. They weighed him next day and he had put on 150g, which meant nothing to me at the time, and nobody said this was excellent progress. And Thanks Heaps Too For Refusing to Weigh Him Again Before I Left Hospital, so that I could spend a further seven scary days worried this baby might not be getting enough nutrition. And I say to that poor labour ward nurse My Baby Put on 400g per Week So Up Yours and he was fully weaned just prior to his second birthday. For my next birth (and next hospital) in '02, to the midwife who explained so honestly to me"You have to have synto, not because you need it, but because we are busy and we need this room" I say Thanks for Letting Me Know the Truth About How Hospitals Work and Why They Do at Least Some of the Medically Unnecessary Things They Do to Healthy Women in Labour.To the other staff member that day who emotionally blackmailed me into having abx for Strep B I say Way to Go for Pulling the Dead Baby Card on a person who was fully informed and had previously explained to staff members my considerable understanding of the pros and cons - in writing no less. Thanks for Wearing Me Down enough to just acquiesce - I already had one vein full up with synto for convenience's sake, so knock yourself out and cover your backsides with another to protect my already well-protected baby. I regret my acquiescence to your scaremongering - no matter how well-intentioned you consider it might have been.And - to my final pregnancy caregiver a homebirth midwife who also works in hospital, and in '07 she was my midwife I say Again, Thank You from the Bottom of My Heart for Your Care and Respect. Your gentle and quiet confidence supported me to have a totally natural, physiological birth in the comfort of home, swiftly, triumphantly and with my children, husband and mother present. That experience was nothing short of life-affirming and positive in every way for everyone who was part of it. That sounds all airy-fairy perhaps, but the thing is it was the best possible health outcome for my child and myself, so medically it was ideal. When hospital midwives and childbirth educators are telling people in birthing classes that they ought to stay home as long as they can to maximise their chances of the best outcome, that's saying something fairly significant to us too.

radmacaronicore 5 pts

dear aholes at the army hospital in el paso,

i am glad i didnt listen to you when you told me that my daughter was a blighted ovum, and had no heartbeat and wouldnt develop. im glad i didnt listen to you when you tried to insist i had a D&C, telling me natural miscarriages are painful and emotionally scarring. you know what would have been emotionally scarring? finding out that you had me D&C a healthy baby. also, FUCK your insistence at SCHEDULING A 41W INDUCTION AT MY 20 WEEK MATERNITY VISIT. i am eternally grateful that i got to have a natural birth at a supportive birthing center, far far away from you.

no love,

the lady with the healthy 13m old girl.

doulaintraining 5 pts

To the doctor who, instead of following my birth preferences and taking the time to allow me to birth my placenta naturally, rushed the process and wound up pulling my uterus out of my body- nearly killing me, effing me up physically and emotionally for long after my daughters birth, scarring my mother and husband for life, and taking away those precious first moments/hours/days that I was supposed to spend bonding with my daughter- You are a malicious, careless, and violent man and should not be allowed within 100 yards of a pregnant woman's body. YOU caused me to endure a crazy awful experience. I will one day heal, but I will never ever forgive or forget what you did to me.

fergusonsarah 101 pts

doulaintraining you have a bad experience on your doctor, why don't you sue him.

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Corissa 16 pts

fergusonsarahdoulaintraining I'm not a sue happy kind of person, but I honestly second that...

doulaintraining 5 pts

Corissafergusonsarah Thanks, ladies. I'm not a sue happy type either. It took me a long time to make the decision, but we are in fact proceeding with a law suit. The final decision was made when I saw the report he wrote, where he claimed that I pushed my uterus out (physically impossible.) The jerk didn't even take responsibility for having a nurse push down on my uterus while he pulled forcefully on the cord, which pulled on the placenta, which hadn't been given enough time to detach from my uterus... which pulled everything out. Ugh. I too, hold grudges! Thank you for your support though.

crystalbuffaloe 12 pts

doulaintrainingCorissafergusonsarah

GOOD FOR YOU for following through legally -- I think all too many of us suffer from "good girl"/"good patient" syndrome, and don't speak up and take action when we've been mistreated by those in authority. The fact that it's liberating to even post something negative on this blog in response to hospital staff is evidence of that.

BabzCovington 5 pts

thank you ladies .i am afraid i wasnt' so clear. i have been attending womens births for nearly forty years now. never once in all of that time did i refuse to be there for someone because she couldn't afford it. what the hell is wrong with any midwife who would chose to send a woman into the pit a hospital is, rather than take less than she thinks she is worth. for goodness sake the entire homebirth movement was came back to us because women couldnt get the birth they needed in an hospital enviroment.shame on anyone who willingly takes the title midwife, which means with woman .and turns her sister over to such trauma over money.

craigiecarter 5 pts

The truth is, we all have to care, even those of us who didn't have a cesarean (for the record, I had 2 and then an amazing HBA2C), because it's the only way the system is going to change. The. Only. Way.

I truly hope that in time, and in helping others by sharing your story, the anger dissipates and the joy prevails!

The Artful Doula 6 pts

I am so happy to have found this site! You women are brave and empowering with your comments. This site is so beneficial for unsuspecting new moms and dads.

moveitmomma 5 pts

Amen sister. Your experience was very similar to mine (though I somehow avoided a c-sxn with my induction -- though they tried to wheel me off to the emergency room many times). I would mainly say F U to the overnight nursing staff who ridiculed and ignored me when I pleaded for assistance to get to the bathroom after I had been cut up like crazy down there and was unable to move. I would also say FU to my OB who induced me under false pretenses so that my birth suited her schedule -- an induction that ultimately left me very messed up -- both physically and emotionally -- for 6m post birth. I would also say I love you and thank you to the amazing team of people (my midwives/doula/the nurses at the birth center) who enabled me to reclaim my body during my 2nd birth experience. I actually wrote a piece on my birth experience and would happily share it if anyone cares to read.

mrsadorkable 5 pts

My heart goes out to all of the mamas with these horror stories. While I am extremely unhappy with my birth experience, I am grateful that it didn't go worse.My entire pregnancy I thought I had a great OB... right up til the end. He started pushing for induction as soon as he could, and I consistently refused. @ my 41 week appt, the nurse made sure to pull me aside and told me to stick to my guns (apparently she knew him well!) After everything routine, dr. decided I needed an ultrasound & non-stress test. Proceeded to tell me "the clock had run out" on my placenta, I was starving and killing my baby.... I grew up knowing better, but this got hubby scared enough to where he, the last person who had sided with me on not wanting to induce, also started pushing for it. So I'm in tears and no one from this podunk state can understand why I do not want to induce. I caved, & I don't just hate my dr for it, I hate myself a little bit. Because I did know better, my mother brought me up better then that. To this day I believe he just didn't want the birth of my son to interfere with his christmas plans.So I was started on Pitocin that night, but they stopped after the 1st does because "I was progressing too quickly" Gave me a 2nd dose early that morning. Then things really moved along and dr. shows up, I am not allowed to try any other positions, immediately strapped into knees-to-chin position, given an episiotomy without my knowledge or consent (because, yes, still in tears when I first agreed to induce, I apparently signed my life away) and to this day it still hurts, can make sex with my husband painful, and I dread thinking about my next birth because now I cannot stretch like God designed me to. I was allowed to "try" for 10 min, I kid you not. Then he whipped out the vacuum. It is also a miracle I successfully bf, because they undermined me left and right.

SelenaV 10 pts

mrsadorkable What is that with doctor's telling women that their placenta is dying or they have no more amniotic fluid? Do they really learn that in medical school? In normal, healthy pregnancies, decreased levels of amniotic fluid and a slightly degrading placenta near term are normal signs that labor is imminent.

I feel the same way about "knowing better". I should have politely declined my midwife's suggestion to transfer to hospital, because I also knew better. Even when we "know better" we get scared, right? We want the best for our babies, and so compromise or doubt ourselves in exchange for what we ultimately feel is the better of two evils. Especially after investing 9 months of pregnancy and caring for these babies growing inside of us....not to mention however long it took us to conceive - we are so invested in having a live outcome (it is biological). This is why it is so imperative that medical providers provide TRUE informed consent. Cut the scare tactics, just be honest...and "Do No Harm"!

The Artful Doula 6 pts

SelenaVmrsadorkable Just received your message about your "dying placenta". Of all the women to reply to me you won't believe how the universe worked today with your message. I do placenta therapy! I have recently encountered the biggest struggle out of nowhere with one of our community hospitals where know one knows what the other person knows, supposed health professionals are sabotaging moms' birth plans based on their own personal feelings and administration is clueless to all and can only back up their uneducated, misinformed, unprofessional, customer service offensive staff. One of the mom's involved told me she can't understand why she has to be "on guard" and her own patient advocate every step of the way. Doesn't it feel good to share heartfelt feelings with other women who care?

Corissa 16 pts

mrsadorkable I had a very similar experience. the same test, being told my placenta had an experation date (she literally said that), the pitocin and my hand was actually forced to sign my freaking life away. i will not be going back to a hospital for my next birth.

Corissa 16 pts

What I would say to the hospital seaff... F*CK YOU! I'm having a homebirth! My placenta does not have an experation date and my baby will come out when she is ready.

AmberHutchins 5 pts

I will never forgive the OB for baby #3 who got my consent for tubal ligation while I was drugged out of my mind and on the OR table for an emergency c-section. Tying my tubes had never been discussed between us before that moment, and I'm still angry she took away my fertility. I have had my tubes repaired, and am pregnant again, but it took us 2 years to conceive post surgery. Infertility is like a war you wage against your body, I always had confidence in my body before, and now, even at 29 weeks pregnant, I have constant fear and doubt that it is working as it should. Please, OB, in the future, don't do improptu elective surgeries when your patients are too drugged to make permanent decisions.

crazycrunchy 14 pts

AmberHutchins I am so, so sorry you went through that. Further proof that the concept of "informed consent" has all but disappeared from our hospitals. :(

SelenaV 10 pts

AmberHutchins Criminal. Absolutely criminal! Talk about crimes against humanity.

bethrnich 5 pts

 AmberHutchins I'm so sorry!  I'd like to think I'm not the suing type, but I think I might have for that one.  I believe if you're drugged up enough, you're not legally compotent to give consent for something like a tubal ligation.

AngelaStarker 5 pts

To the on-call OB who handled my very first delivery: I did not need that enormous gash you called an episiotomy. Leading up to that, for you to inject my perineum with lidocaine, then clamp your little forceps onto my flesh and let them dangle to "test" whether or not the lido was working, THEN bat the forceps back and forth and laugh about how I couldn't feel it just before inflicting me with a three-inch, unnecessary slice.... to this day, I still have a hard time with that memory. Talk about humiliating. My little girl almost FELL out of me, and the blood was going everywhere... then you tell me to stop pushing because you need to go on a smoke break. Seriously??? If the nurse hadn't leapt forward and caught my baby as you walked out the door, she'd have probably hit the floor, seeing as I had no more control over her descent once you hacked me open. Afterwards, you had the nerve to yell at me for not holding back... I'd already been pumped full of enough epidural crap to kill a horse, and though my body was pushing for itself I couldn't feel or control it, but I deprived you of your cigarette, so I got a verbal thrashing. Way to ruin a birth experience. Yes, I remember your name and can only hope that now, 17 years later, you've retired and aren't traumatizing anyone else.

To the nursing staff at the military hospital where that first baby was born: Thanks (sarcastically) for waiting 4 hours to let me see my newborn, during which time you gave her a bottle of sugar-water and a pacifier without even asking if that was acceptable. Sound asleep and full of non-nutritiive crap, my little girl never did manage to conquer the resulting nipple confusion, and I was unable to successfully breastfeed her.

I am required to have a hospital birth again here in about 9-10 weeks, because Medicaid won't cover homebirth. Although Babies 2 and 3 were relatively uneventful hospital births, Babies 4, 5 & 6 were homebirths and I am heartbroken to be deprived of that experience for this, my last birth. I can only hope that there is some decency, respect and competency displayed by the staff at this hospital, and that it is in no way similar to that disastrous first experience.

BabzCovington 5 pts

AngelaStarker where are you located you cant afford a home birth?

crazycrunchy 14 pts

BabzCovingtonAngelaStarker Honestly, she could be anywhere - I live in Illinois, but I am quite a distance from the nearest midwives. The one that I clicked the best with when I was doing interviews last time, before I realized I couldn't afford it, wanted several thousand dollars - which even with a payment plan at the time wasn't an option, unfortunately. We do not choose the circumstances we're in when we give birth, or even sometimes when we conceive. We have to roll with the punches.

aeldenbrady 14 pts

crazycrunchyBabzCovingtonAngelaStarker The only reason I'm able to afford a home birth is because I was in school at the time and used financial aide money to pay the midwives. I ended up having to drop classes due to the pregnancy and while I regret the extra debt, I know it was the only way I could have ever had the money for a home birth and for that I am very grateful. I'm in west Michigan and my midwives are 40 minutes away and some of the only home birth midwives in my area.

crazycrunchy 14 pts

aeldenbradyBabzCovingtonAngelaStarker I wish care provided by a midwife was the standard here, like it is in nearly every other country in the world. :( If it were, it would be more accessible, and moms like you wouldn't HAVE to be thankful for extra debt just because it allowed them a safer, less traumatizing birth. <3

AngelaStarker 5 pts

crazycrunchyBabzCovingtonAngelaStarker

You said it perfectly. There is an abundance of CPMs here (Colorado Springs) and none of them take Medicaid. (It's a Medicaid issue, not a midwife issue.) I am seeing a CNM but she practices at a hospital, and there's no absolute guarantee that she will be able to attend the birth. If she's at another birth or otherwise unavailable, I will have to deal with an OB. It is crazy because Medicaid will pay for this hospital service, which has a price tag in the range of $8000+ but will not pay for a homebirth, which runs around $3000. I am also in school, but my next financial aid disbursement won't be until right around the time I'm due and wouldn't be enough to cover the entire birth. I have NO disposable income, and the very lowest price I found among the midwives was $2500, which is way above anything I can afford. This baby was not planned, has no financial (or ANY) support from the father, and I have three others I am raising by myself right now, so like @crazycrunchy said, I just have to roll with the punches.

aeldenbrady 14 pts

crazycrunchyBabzCovingtonAngelaStarker It would be fantastic to see it as part of the norm, wouldn't it? I'd love to be able to have a home birth some day covered by Medicaid. Is that possible in any state?

aeldenbrady 14 pts

AngelaStarkercrazycrunchyBabzCovington I hope your CNM is able to attend your birth so that you don't have to fight too hard for the experience you want. I've been seeing both the home birth midwives and a CNM because through the CNM, I can get Medicaid to pay for any tests. I've been incredibly lucky to find a CNM who is extraordinarily cool with home birth, copies my records for the home birth midwives, and is low-intervention if I do end up in a hospital transfer situation. I really really really hope yours is willing to fight for you. As great a help as Medicaid is, it's shit for "alternative treatments" which can be more cost-effective.

AngelaStarker 5 pts

aeldenbradycrazycrunchy

Not that I know of. The government still thinks homebirth is dangerous and irresponsible, and that they'd end up paying out more for complications that could have been prevented in a hospital. It's ridiculous. States would save a LOT of money if they allowed homebirth coverage. I guess there's just too many people who don't see the light yet (or don't realize that homebirth is the age-old normality, and "routine" hospital births are actually the dangerous, abnormal practice).

Corissa 16 pts

AngelaStarkeraeldenbradycrazycrunchy I live in the Atlanta, GA area and while Medicade doesn't cover homebirth, i did find a nonprofit organization that supplies midwifes and doulas for free to low income women! check out MotherNaturesBelly.com